bernhard langer still anchoring?

[delc]

He is "swinging the club held in two hands"

There is nothing wrong with what he is doing - it's not against any principles or spirit and it's perfectly acceptable within the rules

The rule forbids anchoring the club against the body - he isn't anchoring the club against the body - it really can't be any more simple than that

He is putting with his top hand pretty much stationary, acting as a pivot point, and his bottom hand pushing the club through with a pendulum action. Even if this is allowed under a technicality, it is hardly a classic golf swing and IMHO shouldn't be allowed! At the same time as banning anchoring, the R&A/USGA should have restricted the length of putters.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Even if this is allowed under a technicality, it is hardly a classic golf swing and IMHO shouldn't be allowed

On that basis Jim Furyk wouldn't be allowed to play at all, never mind putt.

 

[KeeleDrivingRange]

im sure his mummy says hes a very nice man.
like i have already said .its an opinion ,am i not allowed one ?

Your opinion is that he is cheating. The masters officials and PGA officials say he is not. What makes you think you are in a better position to not only call him a cheat but to then to be calling the course officials at best incompetent?

You can have the opinion that the rule needs to be changed or even that he is not within the spirit of the game but you certainly cannot have an opinion that he is a cheat. That is disgraceful and I am quite shocked tbh.

 

[delc]

On that basis Jim Furyk wouldn't be allowed to play at all, never mind putt.

Jim Furyk's golf swing is a little bit unusual, but in no way comes even close to infringing the Rules of Golf!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He is putting with his top hand pretty much stationary, acting as a pivot point, and his bottom hand pushing the club through with a pendulum action. Even if this is allowed under a technicality, it is hardly a classic golf swing and IMHO shouldn't be allowed! At the same time as banning anchoring, the R&A/USGA should have restricted the length of putters.

It's not being allowed on a "technicality" - it's being allowed because it's legal

He swings the club with both hands without anchoring the putter against the body - simple , his top hand moves when he putts

As for not being a "classic golf swing etc " - the claw grip isn't exactly a classic is it

 

[delc]

It's not being allowed on a "technicality" - it's being allowed because it's legal

He swings the club with both hands without anchoring the putter against the body - simple , his top hand moves when he putts

As for not being a "classic golf swing etc " - the claw grip isn't exactly a classic is it

Well it is at least a two handed grip using a normal length putter, without even a hint of anchoring!.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well it is at least a two handed grip using a normal length putter.

What's "normal" ?

Langer is using a 2 handed grip for a putter he considers normal.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Your opinion is that he is cheating. The masters officials and PGA officials say he is not. What makes you think you are in a better position to not only call him a cheat but to then to be calling the course officials at best incompetent?

You can have the opinion that the rule needs to be changed or even that he is not within the spirit of the game but you certainly cannot have an opinion that he is a cheat. That is disgraceful and I am quite shocked tbh.

you stay shocked mate and i will still say in my opinion he is cheating.:thup:

 

[craigstardis1976]

you stay shocked mate and i will still say in my opinion he is cheating.:thup:

Your opinion is wrong. It can be empirically proved it is wrong and instead of rationally looking at the situation you stick by your assertion that he is cheating when he is clearly is not.

Quite bluntly Sir, that level of sustained willing ignorance says a lot more about you than the perfectly legal putting method used by Herr Langer.

 

[Skypilot]

Langer is anchoring as defined in this link:
https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/rules/anchoring/understanding-anchored-strokes.pdf

Look at the second picture down showing examples of prohibited techniques. The one called Anchored Long Putter.
I was wondering why it was going unmentioned but Butch Harmon raised it and said Langer was anchoring.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Your opinion is wrong. It can be empirically proved it is wrong and instead of rationally looking at the situation you stick by your assertion that he is cheating when he is clearly is not.

Quite bluntly Sir, that level of sustained willing ignorance says a lot more about you than the perfectly legal putting method used by Herr Langer.

and who are you to question my opinion.i will not change my mind until i see evidence to the contrary .i see a locked upper arm and a very suspicious looking hand being used . watching last night and the previous nights i am unconvinced he isnt abiding by the laws layed down by the governing bodies of the sport of golf .
as i have said earlier in this thread ,its my opinion ,if you dont agree tough ,i dont care ,i say he is cheating .

 

[PhilTheFragger]

you stay shocked mate and i will still say in my opinion he is cheating.:thup:

On this forum, which is run by THE leading Golf Magazine in the UK, you simply cannot go around accusing people of cheating without very substantial proof, and you simply have none.
You have said your piece, so lets leave it at that.

Bernhard Langer is one of the most respected players ever, He will have had his putting style approved at the highest possible level and there is no doubt in my mind that he is NOT cheating, A Cheat is the worst thing you can call a golfer, so no more please.

That said, the continued use of the long putter was always going to raise the issue and it would have been better if he had moved to a standard putter like pretty much everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

and who are you to question my opinion.i will not change my mind until i see evidence to the contrary .i see a locked upper arm and a very suspicious looking hand being used . watching last night and the previous nights i am unconvinced he isnt abiding by the laws layed down by the governing bodies of the sport of golf .
as i have said earlier in this thread ,its my opinion ,if you dont agree tough ,i dont care ,i say he is cheating .

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/ber...r-stroke-has-him-in-contention-at-the-masters

Please provide evidence to back up your accusations that Langer is cheating - despite the fact fully qualified golf officials are watching and have confirmed its not anchoring.

His putting has been scrutinised at his own request ( which should say exactly the person he is ) and had been cleared - so what is it exactly you have seen that all fully qualified golf officials have missed

Accusing someone of cheating in golf is one of the worst things you can do because it's a self governing game - at least provide factual proof to back up such a poor accusation

 

[craigstardis1976]

and who are you to question my opinion.i will not change my mind until i see evidence to the contrary .i see a locked upper arm and a very suspicious looking hand being used . watching last night and the previous nights i am unconvinced he isnt abiding by the laws layed down by the governing bodies of the sport of golf .
as i have said earlier in this thread ,its my opinion ,if you dont agree tough ,i dont care ,i say he is cheating .

Who am I to question your opinion? Someone who is rational and capable of changing their opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence.

There is ample video from multiple angles readily available, you have been shown the rules, his putting technique has been approved of by every rules official he has shown it too and you cannot produce evidence of one single time Mr. Langer has broken the rules.

To call a player of such high caliber a cheat is insulting not only to Mr. Langer but also to those who try to uphold the rules of the game in their own conduct (and God knows I am sure I have got the rules wrong for myself sometimes) but also sets a bad example. There may be a youngster (or a person with a form of physical limitation)out there who decides to putt in a similar manner and may be put off the game from having to put up with people spouting the ignorant lines you are.

Surely you are better than that?

Craig.

 

[Tongo]

Who am I to question your opinion? Someone who is rational and capable of changing their opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence.

There is ample video from multiple angles readily available, you have been shown the rules, his putting technique has been approved of by every rules official he has shown it too and you cannot produce evidence of one single time Mr. Langer has broken the rules.

To call a player of such high caliber a cheat is insulting not only to Mr. Langer but also to those who try to uphold the rules of the game in their own conduct (and God knows I am sure I have got the rules wrong for myself sometimes) but also sets a bad example. There may be a youngster (or a person with a form of physical limitation)out there who decides to putt in a similar manner and may be put off the game from having to put up with people spouting the ignorant lines you are.

Surely you are better than that?

Craig.

I wouldnt bother wasting your time. He / she clearly has made their mind up and doesnt appear interested in changing regardless of what evidence is produced. PTF's post says it all on the matter.

 

[pokerjoke]

Who am I to question your opinion? Someone who is rational and capable of changing their opinion in the face of overwhelming evidence.

There is ample video from multiple angles readily available, you have been shown the rules, his putting technique has been approved of by every rules official he has shown it too and you cannot produce evidence of one single time Mr. Langer has broken the rules.

To call a player of such high caliber a cheat is insulting not only to Mr. Langer but also to those who try to uphold the rules of the game in their own conduct (and God knows I am sure I have got the rules wrong for myself sometimes) but also sets a bad example. There may be a youngster (or a person with a form of physical limitation)out there who decides to putt in a similar manner and may be put off the game from having to put up with people spouting the ignorant lines you are.

Surely you are better than that?

Craig.

Come on mate Mr Langer are you serious

 

[Norrin Radd]

On this forum, which is run by THE leading Golf Magazine in the UK, you simply cannot go around accusing people of cheating without very substantial proof, and you simply have none.
You have said your piece, so lets leave it at that.

Bernhard Langer is one of the most respected players ever, He will have had his putting style approved at the highest possible level and there is no doubt in my mind that he is NOT cheating, A Cheat is the worst thing you can call a golfer, so no more please.

That said, the continued use of the long putter was always going to raise the issue and it would have been better if he had moved to a standard putter like pretty much everyone else.

i am only going on what i have seen on the tv ,and i say its not right .yhus he is ch......
but you dont like that word so i will say he isnt abiding by the rules.
there isnt enough evidence on my tv that proves otherwise .regardless of weather he is being watched or what he is saying .i still see a man who is getting away with bending the rules .

 

[ruff-driver]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

 

[pokerjoke]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

Are we playing catchphrase?

 

[ruff-driver]

Are we playing catchphrase?

Why not