BBC top earners

Sweep said:
I don't think we should be forced to pay for the BBC. If I had the choice I wouldn't pay and I wouldn't use it. It's living on past glories when it had vertually no competition and a captive audience. When you see what can be created and offered by the commercial broadcasters it puts the BBC to shame. If you are not into Strictly or Eastenders there really isn't much left. They couldn't even keep hold of Bake Off much to HK's horror. Just look at Sky's Open coverage or what they create on Atlantic. The world has moved on and the BBC is a thing of the past.
Lets face it, if the Beeb was any good, you wouldn't spend your evenings foaming at the mouth and rocking backwards and forwards listening to LBC would you?
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It's always funny when people slate the BBC for the programs they produce yet they always seem to produce the most popular programs each year

ITV for example only produce reality shows that get into the top rankings ( beyond soaps )

No other channels both commercial and subscription produces anything that can touch the Planet Earth programs as an example.

There are plenty drama shows produced on the BBC throughout the year the grip the nation - some have viewing figures Sky and commercial companies can only dream off

But it's not just BBC 1 , their services are across the whole spectrum trying to satisfy every manner of person

So despite them apparently being a thing of the past they still seem to be the broadcaster with the " highest viewing figures " "highest listening figures " " most visits and hits" - not bad for a corporation that is restricted in its budget
 
I have no issues with the salaries. They are a fraction of what others are paid on other commercial channels. Its simply a market where each are trying to get the best product with the resources at hand. Given the Beebs limited resources (compared to their competitors) I think they do an excellent job and offer tremendous value for money.

I do have an issue with people being forced to pay for a product they may not want or use. Given the choice I would pay for it, but I equally understand the potential issues that would come into play if it became a commercial channel similar to others
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It's always funny when people slate the BBC for the programs they produce yet they always seem to produce the most popular programs each year

ITV for example only produce reality shows that get into the top rankings ( beyond soaps )

No other channels both commercial and subscription produces anything that can touch the Planet Earth programs as an example.

There are plenty drama shows produced on the BBC throughout the year the grip the nation - some have viewing figures Sky and commercial companies can only dream off

But it's not just BBC 1 , their services are across the whole spectrum trying to satisfy every manner of person

So despite them apparently being a thing of the past they still seem to be the broadcaster with the " highest viewing figures " "highest listening figures " " most visits and hits" - not bad for a corporation that is restricted in its budget
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Whilst I agree that Planet Earth is excellent, I think you will find many similar programs on Discovery. You also have to factor in the "free" to air factor when looking at the BBC viewing figures. For an example everyone here would identify with, few would argue Sky have not done a great job with the Open, but the TV audience figures will be well down. That doesn't mean Sky aren't as good as the BBC. Often quite the contrary. But more people watch the BBC because is on everyone's TV and it's never "scrambled".
 
It is a bit ironic that those who were most vocal about isolating ourselves from the EU so we can reclaim our former glories, who tell us to be proud of the UK and what we can do, have massive issues with one of the greatest and most respected British institutions throughout the world. Funny old game....
 
Sweep said:
Whilst I agree that Planet Earth is excellent, I think you will find many similar programs on Discovery. You also have to factor in the "free" to air factor when looking at the BBC viewing figures. For an example everyone here would identify with, few would argue Sky have not done a great job with the Open, but the TV audience figures will be well down. That doesn't mean Sky aren't as good as the BBC. Often quite the contrary. But more people watch the BBC because is on everyone's TV and it's never "scrambled".
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No one is forced to watch the programs on BBC - the viewing figures are like that because people chose to watch it - I watch the programs on Discovery channel and whilst they are good they aren't a patch on the Planet programs.

In Regards Sky and the golf etc - for me I'm not a fan of golf on Sky - for me it's too gimmicky, awful presenting team , commentators plus the adverts - i enjoyed the two hour segment on the BBC by a mile because it's just about the raw sport but that's just an opinion and Sky certainly bring out all the toys when covering sport - some like it some just enjoy the actual sport as the entertainment. The BBC try and cover every single different type of viewer - sport lover , soap lover , documentary lover , drama lover , reality telly lover , cooking lover , daytime telly lover - all on 3 channels and with limited budget compared to the multi millions that other Telly companies have. The BBC will never please everyone - it's impossible but the quality they produce for me is first class. I would love it if they could afford the billions to broadcast all the sport and the big movies but they can't - unless that license goes up considerably.
 
Hacker Khan said:
It is a bit ironic that those who were most vocal about isolating ourselves from the EU so we can reclaim our former glories, who tell us to be proud of the UK and what we can do, have massive issues with one of the greatest and most respected British institutions throughout the world. Funny old game....
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You are trying to turn the discussion around to the quality of the BBC's programs. We were discussing the salaries of some BBC staff after they were publicised and whether some of the people were worth the money. Now you want to take an opertunity to knock people who voted to leave the EU. I don't believe anyone has suggested the BBC cant make good programs. If ITV published the salaries of their staff then there would be the same views of how some were overpaid for their talents.
 
Sweep said:
I don't think we should be forced to pay for the BBC. If I had the choice I wouldn't pay and I wouldn't use it. It's living on past glories when it had vertually no competition and a captive audience. When you see what can be created and offered by the commercial broadcasters it puts the BBC to shame. If you are not into Strictly or Eastenders there really isn't much left. They couldn't even keep hold of Bake Off much to HK's horror. Just look at Sky's Open coverage or what they create on Atlantic. The world has moved on and the BBC is a thing of the past.
Lets face it, if the Beeb was any good, you wouldn't spend your evenings foaming at the mouth and rocking backwards and forwards listening to LBC would you?
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But I keep hearing how everything was GREAT in 'the past' and that we should and can go back to as we were back then. I watch a lot of BBC - in fact I only listen to LBC during working hours and when I am out and about driving from A to B (which I am most weekday evenings). I don't really watch ANY ITV - and all I watch on Sky is the golf and an occasional series or Sky Arts programme. That is my choice. The BBC is mostly brilliant. Long may it survive in it's current form.
 
What was extremely disappointing to read was the obvious disparity between male and female salaries.

As for which channel makes the best programmes, surely that's subjective? Would I watch Strictly? Watching celebs doing something they are not good at? That makes a lot of sense. Yet it has a great following, proving it's about personal tastes.
 
Hacker Khan said:
It is a bit ironic that those who were most vocal about isolating ourselves from the EU so we can reclaim our former glories, who tell us to be proud of the UK and what we can do, have massive issues with one of the greatest and most respected British institutions throughout the world. Funny old game....
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It's not in the least ironic that those who were moaning most about us freeing ourselves from the EU have the least concerns over the waste of public money paid to over rated "talent".
I think you may be confusing two very different issues. But then maybe you are still blaming Brexit for everything.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But I keep hearing how everything was GREAT in 'the past' and that we should and can go back to as we were back then. I watch a lot of BBC - in fact I only listen to LBC during working hours and when I am out and about driving from A to B (which I am most weekday evenings). I don't really watch ANY ITV - and all I watch on Sky is the golf and an occasional series or Sky Arts programme. That is my choice. The BBC is mostly brilliant. Long may it survive in it's current form.
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Where exactly has anyone said that on this thread? (Other than you)
 
Liverpoolphil said:
No one is forced to watch the programs on BBC - the viewing figures are like that because people chose to watch it - I watch the programs on Discovery channel and whilst they are good they aren't a patch on the Planet programs.

In Regards Sky and the golf etc - for me I'm not a fan of golf on Sky - for me it's too gimmicky, awful presenting team , commentators plus the adverts - i enjoyed the two hour segment on the BBC by a mile because it's just about the raw sport but that's just an opinion and Sky certainly bring out all the toys when covering sport - some like it some just enjoy the actual sport as the entertainment. The BBC try and cover every single different type of viewer - sport lover , soap lover , documentary lover , drama lover , reality telly lover , cooking lover , daytime telly lover - all on 3 channels and with limited budget compared to the multi millions that other Telly companies have. The BBC will never please everyone - it's impossible but the quality they produce for me is first class. I would love it if they could afford the billions to broadcast all the sport and the big movies but they can't - unless that license goes up considerably.
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Jack of all trades, master of none
 
For some people the licence fee is a lot of money.
Its not that long ago you were threatened with jail if you did not pay, I am not sure if anyone was jailed for this "offence".
Market forces seem to dominate everything now except the BBC wether that's good or bad depends on your point of view.
You can't please every one all the time.
But it's quite hard avoiding BBC transmission so maybe it should be an opt in service.
Some of the salaries are just not justified. Should a MOTD presenter get almost ten times what a Cabinet Minister gets.
 
clubchamp98 said:
For some people the licence fee is a lot of money.
Its not that long ago you were threatened with jail if you did not pay, I am not sure if anyone was jailed for this "offence".
Market forces seem to dominate everything now except the BBC wether that's good or bad depends on your point of view.
You can't please every one all the time.
But it's quite hard avoiding BBC transmission so maybe it should be an opt in service.
Some of the salaries are just not justified. Should a MOTD presenter get almost ten times what a Cabinet Minister gets.
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I couldn't agree more.
Remember the uproar when those adverts were placed on the side of buses warning anyone here illegally would be caught? And yet, every night for decades we were treated to adverts on a supposedly advert free service warning us that the detector vans were coming to get us if we didn't pay our licence. Even now at work we get regular letters warning us that officials will be calling to check none of our staff are watching I-Player on our computers.
I am just grateful Lineker isn't a cabinet minister.
 
clubchamp98 said:
For some people the licence fee is a lot of money.
Its not that long ago you were threatened with jail if you did not pay, I am not sure if anyone was jailed for this "offence".
Market forces seem to dominate everything now except the BBC wether that's good or bad depends on your point of view.
You can't please every one all the time.
But it's quite hard avoiding BBC transmission so maybe it should be an opt in service.
Some of the salaries are just not justified. Should a MOTD presenter get almost ten times what a Cabinet Minister gets.
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The market defines how people in the entertainment and broadcast industries are paid.

You can always start a petition to increase ministers salaries tenfold, I'm sure it will be very popular 😉
 
I note in the various discussions I have seen with regard to equal pay, which I agree with,no one sees to suggest lowering the highest earners salaries to obtain equality.
I think in the private sector employers should pay what they feel necessary to get top talent however I do think a publicly funded BBC should have reasonable caps .a
 
Hacker Khan said:
The market defines how people in the entertainment and broadcast industries are paid.

You can always start a petition to increase ministers salaries tenfold, I'm sure it will be very popular 
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Independent salary boards give them 10% when everyone else gets 1% in the public sector.
The BBC is funded by the people but I bet they don't get 1% pay rises.
I would like to see Boris do MOTD though.
 
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