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[User62651]

Thinking for yourself not encouraged eh?

So you know everything about everything then? You need no assistance to learn? Experts are not to be believed?
You didn't need trained by others to get through school, then college/uni, then more training from others to do your job?

Strewth.

 

[Hobbit]

So you know everything about everything then? You need no assistance to learn? Experts are not to be believed?
You didn't need trained by others to get through school, then college/uni, then more training from others to do your job?

Strewth.

The lecturers I had taught me to research and qualify the information I am given. Just because one source gives you information and opinion doesn't make it right.

The Beeb may be one of the more trusted sources of information but that doesn't mean they have to believed blindly.

 

[IanM]

So you know everything about everything then? You need no assistance to learn? Experts are not to be believed?
You didn't need trained by others to get through school, then college/uni, then more training from others to do your job?

Strewth.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.... where in my comment is any of that? If someone is labelled an expert, are you not allowed to question them? (Actually, that's exactly what is happening in Unis these days. If you are not of a certain view, you don't get to speak!

And as you ask, I went to a school and university that taught me "how to think," not "what to think."

 

[User62651]

The lecturers I had taught me to research and qualify the information I am given. Just because one source gives you information and opinion doesn't make it right.

The Beeb may be one of the more trusted sources of information but that doesn't mean they have to believed blindly.

Agreed but they always give both sides of an issue/argument then an editorial may follow where an 'expert' voices a view that should be impartial. As soon as they give a view they're shot down as biased. Can't win. Beeb are as fair as it gets. Said before but ITV/Sky/Beeb do take a consistent view through their political commentators. Turn over from Marr to Peston or Kuensberg to Islam, you get similar views.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Seriously?

Do you honestly think an interviewer shouldn't push the potential next Chancellor on his borrowing and spending plans? And when the next Chancellor gets evasive and doesn't answer questions you think that's acceptable?

How many times have you said the lack of transparency and honesty in the Brexiteers is unacceptable? How many times have you asked for detailed plans for Brexit, and then decried the govt for not providing them?

I listened to McDonnell in the run up to the election, and since. Of the plans for renationalisation, fully costed with the issuing of govt bonds. And on each occasions he's been asked for details he's dodged the issue. Why? At best its a perverted version of PFI with govt/country paying out to the ex-owners for donkeys years via the Bonds. Marxism has been proven around the world, time and again, in countries like Zimbabwe and Venezuela to be an unmitigated disaster.

And you think the BBC is at fault for trying to get the truth out of the main architect of the next financial disaster to be inflicted on the UK in the name of socialism? Open your eyes, if only to your own double standards.

Of course it's OK - it's what I'd expect of journalist on the BBC - and that McDonnell couldn't or wouldn't some up with any figures is not good. But my comment re Neil was simple in the context of all the criticism the BBC get for being leftie and anti-Brexit.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Thinking for yourself not encouraged eh?

Come on please - for goodness sake you know that the ability of any individual to understand the implications of the sort of facts we are talking about is severely limited - we ALL need some guidance. That so many families do not have a single book in their house and take their political guidance from the tabloids does not bode well for 'thinking for yourself'

And so let's have a look at today's headline in the Daily Mail

Fury erupts as Brussels BLOCKS British cities from competing to be the European capital of culture - leaving councils preparing bids potentially millions of pounds out of pocket

The readers are led to believe that this is all about the EU punishing the UK for daring to vote to Leave - that the EU is turning it's back on us - and doing councils and therefore us the taxpayer out of ££millions they have already spent on their bids.

When in fact the rules for the City Of Culture exclude any UK city as the UK will not satisfy the candidate criteria. The individuals who should be blamed for the huge waste of tax payers money are the counsellors who either knew and ignored the rules (so they could continue with their jollies putting their bids together) or who did not know them and were not advised of them by the government and told to stop spending money that will just have been wasted.

This is nothing to do with the EU being vindictive. It is all to do with us having voted to leave the EU and therefore, under the rules, disqualifying ourselves - but you would never know that from the Daily Mail headline.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In fairness to the Dundee councillors they probably believed that Scotland would still be in the EU by 2023.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

In fairness to the Dundee councillors they probably believed that Scotland would still be in the EU by 2023.

That just shows then how naive and ingorant of rules those councillors are then. If Scotland had voted for independance, they wouldn't have been allowed to stay in the EU and would have to go through the whole applying process.
Much the same as Catalonia trying for independance, but at least they knew they wouldnt be in the EU straight away if they gained independance.

 

[USER1999]

The city of culture / waste of money issue is a non issue anyway. The fact that the uk cities competing to get it now cant qualify having spent the money = waste, is flawed. Only one city can win the bid, and the others have all wasted the money. The Uk has wasted millions trying to get the world cup. We still dont have it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The lecturers I had taught me to research and qualify the information I am given. Just because one source gives you information and opinion doesn't make it right.

The Beeb may be one of the more trusted sources of information but that doesn't mean they have to believed blindly.

Lecturers are all lefties and anti-Brexit - apparently

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In fairness to the Dundee councillors they probably believed that Scotland would still be in the EU by 2023.

Apparently work was started on the bids about a year ago - so AFTER the vote...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The lecturers I had taught me to research and qualify the information I am given. Just because one source gives you information and opinion doesn't make it right.

The Beeb may be one of the more trusted sources of information but that doesn't mean they have to believed blindly.

100% agree on this - when some simply complain that The BBC is anti-Brexit and Leftie-Liberal is just nonsense - and when some quote Russia Today as a preferred trusted source of information it is also dangerous nonsense.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Apparently work was started on the bids about a year ago - so AFTER the vote...

I should have put a after my comment.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Strange how so many past head of this and that have now gone on to lead left wing think tanks being paid for by Labour.

Biggest problem at the BBC is they want to be the news. Direct problem of 24hr reporting.

You know this for a fact and have evidence to support the statement?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The city of culture / waste of money issue is a non issue anyway. The fact that the uk cities competing to get it now cant qualify having spent the money = waste, is flawed. Only one city can win the bid, and the others have all wasted the money. The Uk has wasted millions trying to get the world cup. We still dont have it.

It's not a non-issue for the Brexit-Tory loving press. For them it's a BIG issue and one that must be placed firmly at the door of the vindictive EU as more evidence of why it is the right decision to leave - when in fact it is the opposite - it is an issue brought about by UK public choosing by a small majority to leave and not understanding the consequences fully. There being of course far too many consequences to expect any individual to understand, so why would we expect them to when voting - just vote on the Leave headlines. All will be OK in LaLa Land

 

[TheDiablo]

Supporter of inept government doesn’t like the reporting of the world’s most impartial news organisation. How surprising.

Whilst indubitably far more impartial than most, it is nonetheless a bold statement, not something many in our out of the industry would agree with. Not even the most impartial based in the UK!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Whilst indubitably far more impartial than most, it is nonetheless a bold statement, not something many in our out of the industry would agree with. Not even the most impartial based in the UK!

I’m all for overegging it when arguing a point!

:rofl:

 

[SocketRocket]

I’m all for overegging it when arguing a point!

:rofl:

Put that along with your personal attack on me rather than addressing the subject matter and it points towards you needing to consider your own blind prejudices.

 

[ColchesterFC]

100% agree on this - when some simply complain that The BBC is anti-Brexit and Leftie-Liberal is just nonsense - and when some quote Russia Today as a preferred trusted source of information it is also dangerous nonsense.

I agree. Whatever next? If we go far enough down that path we'll eventually get to the point where people (or a person) are quoting Wings over Scotland as a reputable source.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's not a non-issue for the Brexit-Tory loving press. For them it's a BIG issue and one that must be placed firmly at the door of the vindictive EU as more evidence of why it is the right decision to leave - when in fact it is the opposite - it is an issue brought about by UK public choosing by a small majority to leave and not understanding the consequences fully. There being of course far too many consequences to expect any individual to understand, so why would we expect them to when voting - just vote on the Leave headlines. All will be OK in LaLa Land

I started this thread to discuss the BBC and their lack of impartiality. You are making posts about Brexit in it, it's not about Brexit. Struth, you seem obsessed.