BBC News.

[Dasit]

I think the main problem with the BBC is a lot of the public do not realise they have their own massive agenda, and push it in their wording for most articles, "despite Brexit" etc




At least in America it is clear when watching News, CNN are full on left side, Fox is full on right side for example.

 

[MegaSteve]

I just love Newswatch...

Perfect platform for Mr [and Mrs] Grump...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The tax changes were proposed by the SNP a year ago with a 'go live' date of April 2017 but a decision was made by the SNP not to make the changes. Nicola Sturgeon has made it very clear that the SNP want to increase the income tax levels for higher earners to greater levels than in England.

And yet Wings says its not even proposed yet. And you ask which is the more reputable. Cut from the same cloth.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/budget-2017-snp-urged-drop-plans-hike-income-tax/

SNP options........Daily Mail proposals.
You are aware one of the options is to do nothing.

 

[Foxholer]

Whilst indubitably far more impartial than most, it is nonetheless a bold statement, not something many in our out of the industry would agree with. Not even the most impartial based in the UK!

I'm genuinely interested in which one(s) you consider 'more impartial' than the Beeb!

I've always found the Beeb to be pretty fair - if not absolutely impartial! It's pretty hard for any reporter/interviewer to maintain impartiality! I'm happy that they probe statements and incidents relating to either/any side of the political area fairly evenly. With Conservatives in power, there will naturally be more 'news' from them to critique and it's the negative points of their policies that will be simplest/most obvious to coment about! I don't believe they acted any differently when Labour was in power, or indeed during the Coalition government.

FWIW. When I first arrived in UK, I considered the BBB's reporting to be considerably further to the right of the spectrum than I was used to! And NZ's broadcasting/news setup was greatly modelled on the BBC!

I'm inclined to the view that the OP's opinion of the Beeb's position is simply relative to his own! Given his score in a 'Left/Right' style thread on that subject (quite some time ago; I think even before the Scottish Referendum, let alone Brexit!), I am not surprised that he considers the Beeb 'left leaning'! Genghis Khan's autobiography would probably be too 'pink' for him too imo!

 

[Hobbit]

SNP options........Daily Mail proposals.
You are aware one of the options is to do nothing.

You are still doing it. You are refusing to acknowledge that Wings is as accurate as the Daily Mail. You need to broaden your material, and include Nicola's own words, which in effect is the only evidence you need to see that Wings is guilty of inaccuracy.

 

[drdel]

The thread's topic is the BBC yet we keep getting boring repetitious dross from dragged from Brexit, politicians, newspaper baise/ownership.

Surely, there can be nobody who reads the DM or the Guardian,( for example) expects to get to the truth. Similarly commercial radio/TV channels need audience rating to sell the adjacent advertising 'space' so look to sensationalise their terminology.

However, I expect many people think their getting unbiased information from the nation's public broadcaster rather than the self promoting personalty journalist that seem to be paraded.

The point is that BBC should aspire to demonstraby higher standards yet IMO its no better than the commercially funded alternatives.

 

[Foxholer]

You are still doing it. You are refusing to acknowledge that Wings is as accurate as the Daily Mail. You need to broaden your material, and include Nicola's own words, which in effect is the only evidence you need to see that Wings is guilty of inaccuracy.

Neither of those organisations is a 'proper' News organisation! Both are merely broadcasters of their own opinions. They both simply use news as a source/excuse to publish those opinions! Given that that is how newspapers came into being in the first place, i have no issue with their existence. I simply disregard many of their conclusions.

Like the OP, I'd sooner simply be presented with facts and draw my own conclusions - and I'm actually 'happy' to have my opinion changed by facts I wasn't aware of! Unfortunately, simply providing facts doesn't automatically guarantee impartiality! What is needed for that is the equivalent of the court oath - 'The facts, all the facts and nothing but the facts'! And I think that would be very dry news! I'm happy knowing that there's a touch of 'personal/organisational bias' in reports and look at different news sources if I deem it necessary/important!

...
The point is that BBC should aspire to demonstraby higher standards....

I believe that there are policies and procedures in place that do this!

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yet IMO its no better than the commercially funded alternatives.

Partially apathy; partly 'good PR' by 'the comercially funded alternatives' imo.

Key to getting a balanced/independent vew is using either a pure fact-based source, or various 'opinion-based' sources and making ones own mind up!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Moothie Ruthie on The Marr Show once again......how many times is that this year?

The BBC seem pretty determined to get their former employee to head the Tory Party.

 

[shortgame]

I think the main problem with the BBC is a lot of the public do not realise they have their own massive agenda, and push it in their wording for most articles, "despite Brexit" etc




At least in America it is clear when watching News, CNN are full on left side, Fox is full on right side for example.

Aye, and commonly (and seemingly more and more frequently) referring to the Conservatives as 'Tories', a subtle difference with derogotary connotations

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the main problem with the BBC is a lot of the public do not realise they have their own massive agenda, and push it in their wording for most articles, "despite Brexit" etc




At least in America it is clear when watching News, CNN are full on left side, Fox is full on right side for example.

You should just quit perpetrating and supporting a point of view using two words that mean one thing in one context and another when used in the context they have very occasionally been used.

Your complaints would have substance, and I would 100% agree with you, were Brexit negotiations going well and a clear destination being spelled out. That the the negotiations appear to be a shambolic mess, with difficulties left, right and centre; the country split in it's opinions and with furious arguments ongoing in the electorate never mind the politicians - then it is quite reasonable to use 'despite Brexit' when reporting or commenting upon any other related political matter. Indeed appropriate whjen commenting on anything that goes well and that gives us a bit of relief from Brexit...

And so - Despite Brexit - I am fortunate to be able to play friendly golf with other members of a different political view - and long may that continue.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the main problem with the BBC is a lot of the public do not realise they have their own massive agenda, and push it in their wording for most articles, "despite Brexit" etc




At least in America it is clear when watching News, CNN are full on left side, Fox is full on right side for example.

Re Fox - but things are a-stirring in Fox with the Roy Brown controversy and disgrace with what the PotUS has been saying about it - but just have a look and listen to the opprobrium heaped by Fox News Viewers upon Shep Sheppard (leading presenter on Fox News) when he dared to analyse and rubbish the whole Uranium One attack on the Clinton Foundation.

 

[Hobbit]

You should just quit perpetrating and supporting a point of view using two words that mean one thing in one context and another when used in the context they have very occasionally been used.

Your complaints would have substance, and I would 100% agree with you, were Brexit negotiations going well and a clear destination being spelled out. That the the negotiations appear to be a shambolic mess, with difficulties left, right and centre; the country split in it's opinions and with furious arguments ongoing in the electorate never mind the politicians - then it is quite reasonable to use 'despite Brexit' when reporting or commenting upon any other related political matter. Indeed appropriate whjen commenting on anything that goes well and that gives us a bit of relief from Brexit...

And so - Despite Brexit - I am fortunate to be able to play friendly golf with other members of a different political view - and long may that continue.

Late last year the Beeb reported an increase in UK construction, "despite Brexit."

It also reported an increase in hate crime due to Brexit. The Home Office reported a drop in prosecutions, saying that even with increased vigour in investigating the alleged crimes it was found that a lot of the reported crimes were at best anecdotal and many of them were foreign nationals assuming they had been attacked because of their nationality rather than, for example, a straightforward mugging or assault. Sadly the Beeb hasn't broadcast it may have been wrong with its original reporting.

The following were reported on the Beeb;

"Despite Brexit, The Head of Investment (Northern Ireland) says the economy is thriving."

"Ryanair raises passenger growth forecast, despite Brexit."

"Siemens promises UK investment, despite Brexit." This one I remember as it relates to the Siemens plant in Hull.

I count 10 other (economic) headlines that include "despite Brexit."

Some may well turn out to be prophetic, but where an economic result is being announced, rather than a predication, why prefix it with despite Brexit?

And as I posted earlier, a cross-party committee has already found and reprimanded the Beeb for its bias.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm inclined to the view that the OP's opinion of the Beeb's position is simply relative to his own! Given his score in a 'Left/Right' style thread on that subject (quite some time ago; I think even before the Scottish Referendum, let alone Brexit!), I am not surprised that he considers the Beeb 'left leaning'! Genghis Khan's autobiography would probably be too 'pink' for him too imo!

Here we go again! Another one of the groovey gang who prefer to play the man than the ball. If I attempt to defend myself I guess I will get a reprimand suggesting I'm too "Precious" and that "it's not all about me". You couldn't make it up

 

[Mark_Aged_42]

Just turn over to the 6pm news at 6:29 in future then

Dont do that - then you get the R4 alleged comedy half hour, which inevitably features an omni present right on comedian/comedienne bashing the usual suspects.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Late last year the Beeb reported an increase in UK construction, "despite Brexit."

It also reported an increase in hate crime due to Brexit. The Home Office reported a drop in prosecutions, saying that even with increased vigour in investigating the alleged crimes it was found that a lot of the reported crimes were at best anecdotal and many of them were foreign nationals assuming they had been attacked because of their nationality rather than, for example, a straightforward mugging or assault. Sadly the Beeb hasn't broadcast it may have been wrong with its original reporting.

The following were reported on the Beeb;

"Despite Brexit, The Head of Investment (Northern Ireland) says the economy is thriving."

"Ryanair raises passenger growth forecast, despite Brexit."

"Siemens promises UK investment, despite Brexit." This one I remember as it relates to the Siemens plant in Hull.

I count 10 other (economic) headlines that include "despite Brexit."

Some may well turn out to be prophetic, but where an economic result is being announced, rather than a predication, why prefix it with despite Brexit?

And as I posted earlier, a cross-party committee has already found and reprimanded the Beeb for its bias.

Actually in the examples you give the BBC's very occasionally using 'Despite Brexit' could be considered to be supportive of Brexit - because 'Despite Brexit', and all the Project Fear Doom-mongering - look at all the positive things happening that counter that negativity.

 

[Foxholer]

Late last year the Beeb reported an increase in UK construction, "despite Brexit."

It also reported an increase in hate crime due to Brexit. The Home Office reported a drop in prosecutions, saying that even with increased vigour in investigating the alleged crimes it was found that a lot of the reported crimes were at best anecdotal and many of them were foreign nationals assuming they had been attacked because of their nationality rather than, for example, a straightforward mugging or assault. Sadly the Beeb hasn't broadcast it may have been wrong with its original reporting.

The following were reported on the Beeb;

"Despite Brexit, The Head of Investment (Northern Ireland) says the economy is thriving."

"Ryanair raises passenger growth forecast, despite Brexit."

"Siemens promises UK investment, despite Brexit." This one I remember as it relates to the Siemens plant in Hull.

I count 10 other (economic) headlines that include "despite Brexit."

Some may well turn out to be prophetic, but where an economic result is being announced, rather than a predication, why prefix it with despite Brexit?

And as I posted earlier, a cross-party committee has already found and reprimanded the Beeb for its bias.

Re the 2 quotes highlighted....

NI one...That quote features in an a Beeb article about an article the Head of Invest NI wrote in the Huffington Post. The article was 'Brexit and Northern Ireland: Fact vs. Fiction'! So the reference to Brexit is absolutely legitimate - in fact, it would lack credibility if it did not mention 'despite Brexit'!

Re the Siemens one.. Again, there is absolute relevance, as prior to the referendum, Siemens inferred that it would need to review its investment in UK should the vote be for Brexit. The fact that this particular investment has been given the go-ahead - in spite of Brexit - is actually news, with the 'despite Brexit' being an essential part of it!

The search for the articles highlighted a number of other news media also using 'despite Brexit' in their articles on the same subject. So in fairness you shouldn't just be complaining about the Beeb's use of the phrase!

I'm certain that the vast majority of such articles are validly including 'despite Brexit', but there may be a few that aren't! I agree that the expression does get a bit tedious to hear though!

As for the Beeb being reprimanded.... To me, that demonstrates how the procedures, both Parliamentary and within the BBC, actually work - and do provide a measure of 'control' of any overly one-sided reporting! To do the same for the likes of The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Guardian etc, would likely require significantly more effort via non-independent bodies!

Actually in the examples you give the BBC's very occasionally using 'Despite Brexit' could be considered to be supportive of Brexit - because 'Despite Brexit', and all the Project Fear Doom-mongering - look at all the positive things happening that counter that negativity.

SILH beat me to this!

+1!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Re the 2 quotes highlighted....

NI one...That quote features in an a Beeb article about an article the Head of Invest NI wrote in the Huffington Post. The article was 'Brexit and Northern Ireland: Fact vs. Fiction'! So the reference to Brexit is absolutely legitimate - in fact, it would lack credibility if it did not mention 'despite Brexit'!

Re the Siemens one.. Again, there is absolute relevance, as prior to the referendum, Siemens inferred that it would need to review its investment in UK should the vote be for Brexit. The fact that this particular investment has been given the go-ahead - in spite of Brexit - is actually news, with the 'despite Brexit' being an essential part of it!

The search for the articles highlighted a number of other news media also using 'despite Brexit' in their articles on the same subject. So in fairness you shouldn't just be complaining about the Beeb's use of the phrase!

I'm certain that the vast majority of such articles are validly including 'despite Brexit', but there may be a few that aren't! I agree that the expression does get a bit tedious to hear though!

As for the Beeb being reprimanded.... To me, that demonstrates how the procedures, both Parliamentary and within the BBC, actually work - and do provide a measure of 'control' of any overly one-sided reporting! To do the same for the likes of The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Guardian etc, would likely require significantly more effort via non-independent bodies!



SILH beat me to this!

+1!

Mind - we might soon be hearing Despite a Desprit Brexit more often - sadly...

 

[Hobbit]

Actually in the examples you give the BBC's very occasionally using 'Despite Brexit' could be considered to be supportive of Brexit - because 'Despite Brexit', and all the Project Fear Doom-mongering - look at all the positive things happening that counter that negativity.

Please don't be obtuse. The context in which they were used makes it pretty clear what the Beeb's stance was at that time. And, to repeat for the 3rd time, the Beeb have been reprimanded for their bias and lack of impartiality.

There was a great piece in which David Dimbley asked Rees-Mogg to prove it, so he did, and quoted a number of examples. That's the same David Dimbleby that took a swipe at Rees Mogg for his Eton education only for Rees Mogg to reply that he had been in the same class as Dimbleby's son.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Please don't be obtuse. The context in which they were used makes it pretty clear what the Beeb's stance was at that time. And, to repeat for the 3rd time, the Beeb have been reprimanded for their bias and lack of impartiality.

There was a great piece in which David Dimbley asked Rees-Mogg to prove it, so he did, and quoted a number of examples. That's the same David Dimbleby that took a swipe at Rees Mogg for his Eton education only for Rees Mogg to reply that he had been in the same class as Dimbleby's son.

Not being obtuse - simply interpreting the words in a sightly different way - as those wishing to see BBC bias do in their interpretation of BBC words - I could no doubt say that they were being obtuse. The words 'Despite Brexit' are biased if you view the BBC as institutionally biased against Brexit. Their reporting will be biased in some aspects and by some reporters or commentators on occasions - but that is the way of it. My belief is that on most issues the BBC is generally fair and evenhanded.

 

[Hobbit]

Not being obtuse - simply interpreting the words in a sightly different way - as those wishing to see BBC bias do in their interpretation of BBC words - I could no doubt say that they were being obtuse. The words 'Despite Brexit' are biased if you view the BBC as institutionally biased against Brexit. Their reporting will be biased in some aspects and by some reporters or commentators on occasions - but that is the way of it. My belief is that on most issues the BBC is generally fair and evenhanded.

So "despite Brexit" is a success then. If you believe the Beeb is, in the main, fair and unbiased why are you continually bleating that Brexit isn't working and that it is the biggest unmitigated disaster that will ever befall us? Are the Beeb being dishonest or guilty of poor reporting?