Baroness Thatcher Dead

Valentino said:
Dave you don't speak the same language ;)
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Ahhhh... that's where I've seen that nodding head :rofl:

Roll on Silloth...... £15 ..... even with Scottish inflation its a steal.... just how did they price it at that????

Talking of bargains.... did you see the Sept Meet I'm running on HDIDo ?
 
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2blue said:
Pete..... North...South... worlds apart. You wouldn't think we speak the same language let alone share the same culture. How have we have moved so far away from each other. They are not even close to understanding our feelings about her.... or more importantly, why!!!! I'm probably a fair bit older than most on this forum and can honestly say that from my experience the North is a caring/sharing culture.. the South, every thing you can get away with is fair game and up for grabs. Maybe a pretty broad description but there'll be a few nodding heads.
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It genuinely saddens me to read posts like this. How can people use such broad terms like North/South to categorise people in this country.

I have met people from the four corners of this Earth and one thing I have learned is that the vast majority people on the planet are very similar, they get on with their day to day lives and do their best to put some bread on the table. IMHO it is completely pointless to dwell on things that happened in the past, we cant change them and in general were not responsible for them.

How can anyone tar all in the South with the same brush, you would think that they are all Bankers with big bonuses or city stockbrokers wheeling and dealing with others money. Come and look around, you will see the same man on the street working his gonads off to look after his family, Mothers that are faced with the conflicting pressure of work and care for the children.

Magaret Thatcher is a person of the past, most wont even have experienced that era and will not be able to understand how the people on the street; North and South were carried along with no real influence on the politic. Most what you call Southerners (what ever that means (maybe you could elaborate)) are getting on with their lives as best they can, how can you hold them responsible for the actions of politicians of almost 40 years past.

Move on and drop the bad blood, it is not real life or a way forward.
 
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SocketRocket said:
It genuinely saddens me to read posts like this. How can people use such broad terms like North/South to categorise people in this country.

I have met people from the four corners of this Earth and one thing I have learned is that the vast majority people on the planet are very similar, they get on with their day to day lives and do their best to put some bread on the table. IMHO it is completely pointless to dwell on things that happened in the past, we cant change them and in general were not responsible for them.

How can anyone tar all in the South with the same brush, you would think that they are all Bankers with big bonuses or city stockbrokers wheeling and dealing with others money. Come and look around, you will see the same man on the street working his gonads off to look after his family, Mothers that are faced with the conflicting pressure of work and care for the children.

Magaret Thatcher is a person of the past, most wont even have experienced that era and will not be able to understand how the people on the street; North and South were carried along with no real influence on the politic. Most what you call Southerners (what ever that means (maybe you could elaborate)) are getting on with their lives as best they can, how can you hold them responsible for the actions of politicians of almost 40 years past.

Move on and drop the bad blood, it is not real life or a way forward.
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Having sat with a Fijian fisherman in 1980 and been at one in discussing the basics of life I can appreciate some of your points but as soon as this funeral matter arose it was very clear that my southern cousins (family members had to move south to get money to send North) are looking thro' a very different crystal ball... little has changed over the decades... no Bad Blood... just the way it is.
 
I hope that due respect for the dead will be shown at her funeral. I very much doubt it though. The far left are already plotting demos and other sick displays of repulsive nature. Not a great spectacle for her family and friends to witness. I sincerely feel for her family who's mourning will be grossly distracted by the unruly mobs that will be out on the streets. No doubt the Socialist Worker banners will be out on the streets too. Sick, vile and deplorable behaviour in our so called civilised island.

I do remember what the country was like pre Thatcher and it wasn't a very nice place to live. Strikes almost every week, power cuts etc. She was a woman who put Britain first She loved this country and fought our corner in European matters.
I cannot believe the vitriol that the old fool Kinnock still spouts. To me he's still hurting from being roundly wupped by her in the General Election. At least he and his repulsive wife are still coining it in on the gravy train that is the European Union. Parasites!

Politics aside, she was someones mother and due respect for that fact should be shown on the day of her funeral.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I know it's a bit chicken and the egg, but was it wage rises that stimulated inflation, or the other way round.
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IMO, that is the question that has kept - and will keep - economists and advisers in work for years!

And it's really all down to personal opinion - imo of course. And personal opinion also drives, and is driven by, political leaning/doctrine.

As for Lady Thatcher, I believe she has been both credited with and castigated for far more than she deserved.

As an outside observer, I believe she was right for Britain - at the time. And remember that this was when Britain's industrial strength was demonstrated by the production of the might Morris Marina, the last (Austin) Princess, Triumph TR7 and Rover SD1!

The Poll Tax, though arguably a 'fairer' tax than the system it replaced, was a (predictable) disaster for her, though a triumph for protest and the legitimate swamping of incompetent bureaucracy!
 
This thread is getting boring now.

Just thought I'd mention that :thup:

Thank God the (eventual) thread for Gordon Brown will be a short one :whoo:
 
This is the saddest thread I have ever seen how can people be happy with the death of an old lady, who did her best for the country. even if some people don't like her politics they have to agree she got the faulklands right.

Just let her rest in peace
 
Liverbirdie said:
Whilst that doesn't mean they are not entitled to their opinion, it does raise the question as to why they have that opinion and hold often misguided views. I can only conclude that it is their parents and grandparents that have passed down this hatred. Do you remember when Tony Blair stepped down and David Cameron had all the Tory benches stand and applaud him? And yet here we are with people from the left falling over themselves to deliver the most heinous condemnations of Mrs. Thatcher before she has gone cold. The left have shown themselves up this week for exactly who they are. A classless, bitter rabble full of hatred and vitriol. Either their parents didn't teach them how to behave or they have forgotten. This is not the British working class I know and respect.
We also have to ask, why don't those who are celebrating want people to do better by going out to work? Why don't they want decent working people to own their own home? Why don't they want working families to own shares? All things Mrs. Thatcher made possible. Because to do all that you have to get off your backside in the first place. That is exactly what they don't want to do and under too many governments they haven't had to. Under Mrs. Thatcher nobody got a free ride on the backs of hard working people and that is exactly what they cannot abide.
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Utter rubbish, so tar every left leaning thinker as "classless, bitter rabble full of hatred and vitriol" - can you hear yourself. I think one thing that comes through this thread is lots of different views ans extremes from both left and right, but oh no, were all the same.

"Under Mrs. Thatcher nobody got a free ride on the backs of hard working people and that is exactly what they cannot abide" - so all the bankers, futures traders, millionaire off shore account tax avoiders didn't.

What world do you live in?

Sorry, cat doffed and forelock tugged, my liege.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but when did you see anyone else celebrate a death in this utterly vile way? I am sorry if I generalise and I can well understand your embarrassment if you class yourself as a left winger. Maybe instead of shooting the messenger, you should have a word with those who have let your political class and this country down this week. Or do you agree with "Rejoice, Rejoice" headlines in the Morning Star and "burn in hells fires" diatribe from George Galloway?
And whilst you are accusing me of generalisation, you may want to rethink your last comment. So everyone who works in a bank is bad are they? And by the way, no need to doff your cap to me. In spite of many posts on here, not all those who could see the benefit of Mrs Thatchers politics come from down south. I am a good northern lad. My ex father-in-law was a miner. I can't say I really benefitted from Mrs. Thatchers policies, but I believe in voting for what is right for the country rather than what is right for me.
 
Liverbirdie said:


"Under Mrs. Thatcher nobody got a free ride on the backs of hard working people and that is exactly what they cannot abide" - so all the bankers, futures traders, millionaire off shore account tax avoiders didn't.
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I should also point out that under Mrs. Thatcher the bankers and futures traders didn't get a free ride. The "big bang" broke up the old boys network and brought competition into the market. Mrs. T also hated bale outs (remember British Steel, British Leyland?) and I don't think you would have seen a rescue for the banks under her. As for tax avoiders, when did they get a free ride under Mrs. T?
 
My lasting memory of the Thatcher years was spending endless hours writing maintenance and service specs for a golf course, range and golf clubhouse to comply with 'competitive tendering'.
The fact that the golf courses were then making a £250k profit for my council on a £1.8 million turnover seemed not to matter.
There were loads of speculators making enquiries and desperate to take on the contract but we devised a cunning plan.
We were the first golf courses/range/clubhouse etc to gain the BS5750 Quality Management kite mark.
Bidders had to comply within one year of securing the bid.
Guess what .......no bidders.
 
From Yahoo News:
"Hundreds of people attended a "party" in central London celebrating Baroness Thatchers death..."
"Among the crowds was four-year-old Jack, who was stomping around shouting "Thatcher's dead, Thatcher's dead."
His father Howard Garrick from Islington, north London, said he was determined his son should come to the party"

I rest my case.
 
Sweep said:
From Yahoo News:
"Hundreds of people attended a "party" in central London celebrating Baroness Thatchers death..."
"Among the crowds was four-year-old Jack, who was stomping around shouting "Thatcher's dead, Thatcher's dead."
His father Howard Garrick from Islington, north London, said he was determined his son should come to the party"

I rest my case.
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We can only pray that Mr Garrick's son doesn't grow up to be as big a moron as his father, however, given parental influence that would seem unlikely.
 
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