Baroness Thatcher Dead

[Hobbit]

Nothings been "proved" yet. That's why 23 years later, people still wont accept death certificates.

It was due to the establishment, that it has taken so long. I include the government(s) in that both labour and tory, but it was on thatchers watch, with her home secretary, her police chiefs and to think she didn't know what happened is extremely naive or blind faith.
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A quote from David Cameron last year, "she had been advised that the South Yorks Police force were very close to deceitful."

Like any Prime Minister, they'll do good and bad during their time in office. I used to think Blair was brilliant till he totally reneged on tuition fees and then joined in the invasion in Iraq.

 

[Fish]

Really ya bandit :rofl:

I'm not sure what handicap he is but I would expect it to be quite low? So he'll play some decent golf and I'll steal the holes with my shots

I beat my current club champion yesterday in a winter league match, I think he was on all par 5's in 2 but I still nicked it

 

[Val]

I'm not sure what handicap he is but I would expect it to be quite low? So he'll play some decent golf and I'll steal the holes with my shots

I beat my current club champion yesterday in a winter league match, I think he was on all par 5's in 2 but I still nicked it

Good for you mate, 2 shots on certain holes won't ast long so enjoy it while you can

:thup:

 

[Fish]

Good for you mate, 2 shots on certain holes won't ast long so enjoy it while you can

:thup:

No 2 holes in matchplay, I did have a bucket load of shots though, but him being off 2, I was always over 80 yards behind him

 

[Ethan]

I'll be honest with you Ethan, I had a very different view and opinion of you before our series of PM's last night and this morning. I can honestly say that the way you came across on the forum at times and actually, even though never meeting you, I disliked you!

However, I have enjoyed our PM exchanges and that opinion has now been removed, so, some good has come of this subject matter and it is testament that we are all different and come from very different backgrounds and upbringings but, we can all have shared very similar life changing experiences irrelevant of what side of the fence we were on at those times and they can set us up for how we emotively react when sensitive subjects arises.

I can react emotively, which is not surprising with what I have seen and been through over many years on the front line, so to speak, but, it is never, I hope, an assault on a person who is simply giving an objective opinion in a controlled manner, Id like to think I'm better than at. I only react in a hostile way when things get personal, which should never happen and is why I frequent this forum in preference to others.

I look forward to meeting you now in the future to share some stories and view points after of course a decent round of golf.

Thanks Robin.

I think it is easy to come over differently on these fora to your true personality. I am happy for any reasoned debate and will try to take part in good faith.

On the decent round of golf, I will get back to you after I have got one under my belt for the season. Perhaps this Sunday might be the day.

 

[Wildrover]

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Auld Nick will be out of a job now.[/QUOTE]

Brilliant!!!

 

[grizzler]

she stood strong in northern ireland, during her time this place was on the brink, never bent her knee to the terrorists. she had more balls than any leader who has followed her. RIP Lady T

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Having been born after the Thatcher-era was in its heyday (sorry) but having a relatively active interest in politics, it's been good to see both sides of the coin on here. It's a subject that I know little about so wanted to find out more, and have been able to thanks to some very well-written arguments.

Was reading this from Russell Brand (here me out) last night, think he puts across his argument quite well - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

Well worth a read if you've got 5 mins.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

On a geographical and political note it is strange that the 'Thatcher city riots' were all south of Preston

 

[CMAC]

Having been born after the Thatcher-era was in its heyday (sorry) but having a relatively active interest in politics, it's been good to see both sides of the coin on here. It's a subject that I know little about so wanted to find out more, and have been able to thanks to some very well-written arguments.

Was reading this from Russell Brand (here me out) last night, think he puts across his argument quite well - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

Well worth a read if you've got 5 mins.

read it, good piece, quite close to my own underinformed views of the time

 

[stevie_r]

On a geographical and political note it is strange that the 'Thatcher city riots' were all south of Preston

Not really, the bulk of the nations populations lives south of preston

 

[Sweep]

Having been born after the Thatcher-era was in its heyday (sorry) but having a relatively active interest in politics, it's been good to see both sides of the coin on here. It's a subject that I know little about so wanted to find out more, and have been able to thanks to some very well-written arguments.

Was reading this from Russell Brand (here me out) last night, think he puts across his argument quite well - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

Well worth a read if you've got 5 mins.

I must admit when I read Russell Brand I inwardly groaned, but I was pleasantly surprised by quite a good piece from an obviously intelligent man. Sadly though he falls for the now accepted as fact misconception that Thatcherism was selfish and only lined the pockets of the rich. Yes, I am quite sure the rich got richer (when did this not happen under a Tory government - or Tony Blair?) but the old, infirm and vulnerable were not deserted. However, if you were able to work you had to get off your backside (or on your bike to quote Norman Tebbit). If you didn't you were left behind. If you did, you did very well. Lower taxes meant you kept more of the money you earned and the harder you worked the more you kept. Property and shares were no longer the preserve of the rich. Many would argue this was true socialism. The problem with welfare is that it is very tempting for a government to increase it every year. It makes them popular. Until you get today's situation where £1 in every £3 of taxpayers money is spent on it. Then it has to be dealt with and the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. Bedroom tax, granny tax. Sound familiar? But it is a Conservative view that those who refuse to work should never be better off than those who strive to better themselves and that is hard to argue against.
The true irony is Brand quoting Mrs. T as saying there is no such thing as society. I am not sure she ever used those words, but there is no doubt in my mind that British society died on Monday, when British people were prepared to celebrate a death. I thought we were better than that.

 

[SyR]

Anybody else think there are going to be a lot of problems during next weeks funeral procession????

I hope the people who have nothing good to say about her stay away from her funeral.

 

[Leftie]

I'll refrain from passing judgement on "The Iron Lady" as I know that I will never have or be able to balance all the facts and actions in her political career. The fact that she was the longest serving PM of 20th century indicates to me that the majority of people thought that she was doing a reasonable job for the country, or there was no viable alternative.

One thing I do know however is that Maggie was a fairly religious person who believed in Britain with a passion, and believed that everything she did politically was for the benefit of the country as a whole. She would have hoped that come judgement day she would have done enough to go to the "Higher House".

For those who feel that she will have been condemned to the other place, you can bet that by now, at least half the furnaces will have been shut down.



I would like to thank MikeH and the Mods for letting this run with sensitive moderation.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

On a geographical and political note it is strange that the 'Thatcher city riots' were all south of Preston

And involved people who looked about 20! Just out for a tear up?

 

[Kellfire]

Whether he or they were convicted, I wouldn't know as we passed them over.

The lack of any conviction is exactly why you can't say the things you were saying! I've seen legal action threatened over much less!

 

[Fish]

The lack of any conviction is exactly why you can't say the things you were saying! I've seen legal action threatened over much less!

I'd say it to their faces.

 

[Kellfire]

I'd say it to their faces.

And that's fine, but to do it on an open forum could see legal repercussions against author and host aka you and GM.

I fully understand your feelings towards Adams et al but you simply can't (legally) say certain things, no matter what evidence you claim to have. I'm only saying this to protect you, it certainly wasn't a threat.

I myself took part in a school walkout when McGuinness was appointed Minister of Education but equally I had little time for Paisley Junior's posturing when he showed up to thank us all.

 

[mikee247]

I'd say it to their faces.

I have said it to his face (Adams that is) on the the falls road in his Armoured Granada! I fully support Fish's comments and having spent many many months in these parts of the UK Im aware of the atrocities he and his cronies are responsible for. Ill refrain from commenting on what I think should be done to him but alas Im gob smacked that he now sits in a position of authority as with McGuiness and people actually allow him to make decisions. Like its been said you dont negotiate with terrorists and there is no difference between these guys and Bin Laden.

Not sure if it was answered for Ethan - COP = Close observation Platoon. Plain clothes Servicemen (one form of) normally as a unit from the Recce Platoon of an Infantry Battalion working on the streets using surveillance techniques and gathering intelligence. These and even more specialised deeper undercover guys were right in the middle of it and fully up to speed of what went on in these Republican and Loyalist strongholds.

A decent book for you to all read "Big Boys Rules" Quite an eye opener for those who might be interested.

 

[Val]

A decent book for you to all read "Big Boys Rules" Quite an eye opener for those who might be interested.

Cheers for that, I have read a good book on the troubles for yonks. Last book I read was ages ago about a female helicopter in the AAC working with the det, can't remember the name. Also the book about Ian Phoenix was pretty good too.