I wonder if people openly smiled when Bin Laden passed away.
Baroness Thatcher Dead
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stevie_r
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:rofl::rofl:
Liverbirdie
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So whose organising the North v South next forum meet?
Kofi Annan, methinks.
Kofi Annan, methinks.
stevie_r
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I would say a considerable number almost certainly did, what's your point exactly?
In_The_Rough
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Think he is getting at people celebrating death. Not really a comparison though when BL was behind the worst terrorist attack in history killing thousands of innocent people.
Ethan
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I appreciate hearing Fish's point of view and I hope people can see that a range of views are possible depending on where you find yourself dropped onto this planet. All seems like a long time ago now, thankfully.
Sweep
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Good point. I didn't see anyone celebrating then. Where was George Galloway? Where was Morrissey? Where was Derek Hatton? Where was Ken Livingston? Where was Gerry Adams? You may not agree with Thatcher politics but Bin Laden & co wanted us DEAD. Incidentally, did anyone notice Adams referring to the Falklands as the "malvinas". Anyone else want to side with those who stand against Britain? Anyone else want to negotiate with terrorists? Anyone else want to join Galtieri, a dictator that even the Argentinians ditched?
I also appreciate your PM and I hope you mine.
It does seem a long time ago but it is worrying that there seems to be a touch paper smouldering and some, although much smaller fractions are attempting to ignite it again!
Ethan
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Two steps forward, one step back seems to be the way things happen in NI. Hopefully it will only be the one step back. I can't see things going all the way back to the 80s. Too much quasi-normality has happened.
Sweep
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Val and I have disagreed to a degree on this subject, but we agree on this. It has been a good debate and has highlighted people's differing views on a very interesting time in British politics.
wrighty1874
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This has been the only thread I've read over the past two days, other than The Pannal meet thread,as I'm an attendee. Great debate and intersting newspaper attachments.Beats watching the telly.Long live the OOB.
Phil2511
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I understand this as well being that my mother was from a nationalist area with a high number of PIRA and my father was in the RUC for 30 years.
In fact 1 of Fish's comrades saved his life when a PIRA sniper shot at them in West Belfast.
Also when my father was attending a murder scene and a PIRA member was caught attempting to plant a bomb under their vehicle.
My mother is almost 65 now and a few weeks ago I was taking her to my grandmothers house and she recalled it was the anniversary of her childhood friends death.
She told me the story of meeting her on the Saturday afternoon and she was acting very very oddly, the following morning when my grandmother woke her she informed her that a male and a female had been blown up trying to build a bomb. My mother said the female is (the girls name), later on listening to the news it turned out she was right.
When we were kids my mother led us to believe that my father was a binman, just so we wouldn't tell people our father was a policeman. JUST IN CASE.
Or when we had to go and stay at our grandmothers for a few weeks when death threats were issued.
Or when 1 mother in the street when we were small would come out and give sweets/crisps/lollies to her kids and EVERY other kid in the street except us. Which at the time we didn't understand but in later life learned it was because of my fathers job and she was a nationalist.
I remember the barriers being shut to stop anyone entering the town centres in the evenings and the constant police check points all round the place especially if you had to travel into Belfast, and I'm not old enough to remember the really bad times.
Thankfully those days are gone and my own kids don't have to grow up with those things going on around them.
chrisd
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I was at a dinner party with a lady who had worked in the secret services and she told me that there were only about 12 active top IRA men and a few more gophers. One day they gave the government the intelligence that all the top brass of the IRA were meeting in a caravan in a secluded area and requested permission to organise a "gas explosion accident" to wreck the organisation
The word came from the very highest level that they must not carry put the operation!
Personally I'm glad Mike H has allowed this to run, nothing has been said that I havnt heard or seen in the media and we are all grown ups with opinions, however, it's clear to me that a number of people wern't around prior to her election, or possibly during her office and really you did have to be there to see what a laughing stock the country was around the world prior to her election and how she turned that right round. Yes some did badly but that's happening in the recession we are going through now but I tell you for nothing -Maggie would have sorted the banks out and without any messing!
The word came from the very highest level that they must not carry put the operation!
Personally I'm glad Mike H has allowed this to run, nothing has been said that I havnt heard or seen in the media and we are all grown ups with opinions, however, it's clear to me that a number of people wern't around prior to her election, or possibly during her office and really you did have to be there to see what a laughing stock the country was around the world prior to her election and how she turned that right round. Yes some did badly but that's happening in the recession we are going through now but I tell you for nothing -Maggie would have sorted the banks out and without any messing!
Ethan
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As an aside, I think it is interesting how opinions and perspectives are so strongly influenced by where (and to whom) you happen to be born. As much as we might want to think we are objective, the fact is that if you are born on the Shankill rather than the Falls, or Consett rather than Carshalton, your opinions of Thatcher and many other subjects will be highly influenced by that accident of birth.
Smiffy
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Anybody else think there are going to be a lot of problems during next weeks funeral procession????
Alan
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Being a proud Scotman and having lived through her years at power, I'd love to give a story of how she affected us, but at the end of the day she has died.
Hopefully the funeral will go without incident and nobody else will die or suffer because of her being around.
Auld Nick will be out of a job now.
Hopefully the funeral will go without incident and nobody else will die or suffer because of her being around.
Auld Nick will be out of a job now.
I'll be honest with you Ethan, I had a very different view and opinion of you before our series of PM's last night and this morning. I can honestly say that the way you came across on the forum at times and actually, even though never meeting you, I disliked you!
However, I have enjoyed our PM exchanges and that opinion has now been removed, so, some good has come of this subject matter and it is testament that we are all different and come from very different backgrounds and upbringings but, we can all have shared very similar life changing experiences irrelevant of what side of the fence we were on at those times and they can set us up for how we emotively react when sensitive subjects arises.
I can react emotively, which is not surprising with what I have seen and been through over many years on the front line, so to speak, but, it is never, I hope, an assault on a person who is simply giving an objective opinion in a controlled manner, Id like to think I'm better than at. I only react in a hostile way when things get personal, which should never happen and is why I frequent this forum in preference to others.
I look forward to meeting you now in the future to share some stories and view points after of course a decent round of golf.
I truly hope not but, there will be those whom will seek attention and publicity by doing something idiotic to get into the media to underline and promote their opinion.
Doon frae Troon
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I have doubts that the funeral will go off peacefully.
I think they have made a big error in making it ceremonial.
I don't know who made that decision as I believe she did not want a state funeral. Probably Cameron.
Uncomfortable moments for the Queen as I gather she could not stand the woman.
I think they have made a big error in making it ceremonial.
I don't know who made that decision as I believe she did not want a state funeral. Probably Cameron.
Uncomfortable moments for the Queen as I gather she could not stand the woman.
