Baroness Thatcher Dead

Getting my wings clipped so I'm saying no more on the matter other than, Maggie was right not to deal with terrorists or let murders out of jail only to murder again.

I'm out.
 
I appreciate this is a thread that evokes a lot of high emotion and strong opinions on both sides but just a friendly reminder to refrain from personal attacks on those with differing views to yours and posting anything in poor taste/likley to offend
thanks
 
Fish said:
Getting my wings clipped so I'm saying no more on the matter other than, Maggie was right not to deal with terrorists or let murders out of jail only to murder again.

I'm out.
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Are you joking? probably not :angry:

Fully agree with all the points you have made
 
MikeH said:
I appreciate this is a thread that evokes a lot of high emotion and strong opinions on both sides but just a friendly reminder to refrain from personal attacks on those with differing views to yours and posting anything in poor taste/likley to offend
thanks
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Mike, I'm just wondering whether it's worthwhile removing the 'Out of bounds' section permanently. Perhaps keep the GM forum for golf related matter only.

It would ensure (to a point) that politics and religion would be kept away from the GM forum.

AW

PS...I did try to PM you but I wasn't allowed.
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Mike, I'm just wondering whether it's worthwhile removing the 'Out of bounds' section permanently. Perhaps keep the GM forum for golf related matter only.

It would ensure (to a point) that politics and religion would be kept away from the GM forum.

AW

PS...I did try to PM you but I wasn't allowed.
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Golf related only - brilliant :rolleyes:
 
Sorry, can't agree with that one; it's not the subject matter, it's the behaviour of those involved. As was done to death after the recent issues, the problems that were dealt with started in The Lounge, not OOB. Do you not discuss matters other than golf at your club?

Understand your point of view, but don't think it is a good move personally.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Sorry, can't agree with that one; it's not the subject matter, it's the behaviour of those involved. As was done to death after the recent issues, the problems that were dealt with started in The Lounge, not OOB. Do you not discuss matters other than golf at your club?

Understand your point of view, but don't think it is a good move personally.
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Merely asking as Mike seems to be pseudo-moding on here. I'm merely stating that, for a quieter life for Mike that the OOB section be shut down.

Just saying.
 
I did once consider no OOB but feel If we just talked about golf it would be boring

I agree with Val this has been an interesting debate - I just ask it stays on the right side of passionate which i do accept is hard on this thread more so than most

AW - I dont accept PM's (find it hard to keep on top of as not always on the forum) but email away!
 
Valentino said:
No need, just don't let emotions get you wound up mate.
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It's difficult and I appreciate there will be strong feelings on all sides and in most cases I will listen and take on other peoples views, but, I won't be told "to be VERY careful" though when I am contributing factual experiences. I'd like to expand on some of them but I can't, or I'd have to kill you ;)
 
Fish said:
I was serving when the hunger strikes were in full and I was in the Clonard and lower falls when the news came through that Sands had died. I had 2 empty seats on my plane back from that tour!

I'm sorry but PIRA was never a small group in the late 70's, their network was vast and was well supported financially from "other" countries, Noraid being a leading figure. A lot of us (HM Forces) were recruited by the UDR, tempted by large pay packets, I know most Catholics I spoke to welcomed this as we had different attitudes to some policing methods. The RUC would never had stood a chance without us there, it took 16 of us to walk around and protect only 2 of them and possibly more at times with crossover bricks if there had been hostilities the night before. I never met a cocky or confident RUC man, I didn't like some UDR though.
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It is possible that you were given rather exaggerated information by your bosses, guided by the NI Government.

I grew up in a Catholic estate considered by the RUC to be a hotbed of republicanism and went to a school with a load of lads from a place renowned for its provo tendencies. We had our house searched in the middle of the night by RUC/Army several times, were often harassed by UDR/RUC patrols, and I saw a few things too, but despite all that I can tell you that the support for the IRA in the early 80s was a llt thinner than you probably thought it was. They did not have a vast network, but when you polarise people, you increase their network and Thatcher did that with blunder after blunder.

I don't know how many RUC men were cocky or confident, but more than a few were in cahoots with the UVF and UDA, and some were convicted as a result. Plenty of UDR men were also Orangemen and UDA/UVF types as well.

Internment occurred during the Heath Government and was a terrible political blunder, although really at the behest of Brian Faulkner. That kept the Troubles going into the Thatcher years.
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Why go after her? It's been proved that it was a Police cover up - is that not enough?
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Nothings been "proved" yet. That's why 23 years later, people still wont accept death certificates.

It was due to the establishment, that it has taken so long. I include the government(s) in that both labour and tory, but it was on thatchers watch, with her home secretary, her police chiefs and to think she didn't know what happened is extremely naive or blind faith.

I wont get into the vagaries of the belgrano affair, as I can see both sides TBH, but where the generals making all the decisions and involved in the fallout. No it was thatcher who was involved including giving the orders.
 
MikeH said:
I did once consider no OOB but feel If we just talked about golf it would be boring

I agree with Val this has been an interesting debate - I just ask it stays on the right side of passionate which i do accept is hard on this thread more so than most

AW - I dont accept PM's (find it hard to keep on top of as not always on the forum) but email away!
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Fair play, Mike.;)
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Merely asking as Mike seems to be pseudo-moding on here. I'm merely stating that, for a quieter life for Mike that the OOB section be shut down.

Just saying.
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Fair enough, I'd just find it somewhat less interesting on here without OOB, so we beg to differ; wouldn't have much discussion if we didn't.
 
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