Ball moves on putting surface

[NorfolkShaun]

if a player replaces his or her ball on the green after marking then addresses the ball and it moves what is the rule?

In a similar vain what is the rule if the ball is replaced the marker removed and then the ball moves before it is addressed?


Thanks in advance

 

[Deleted member 15344]

if a player replaces his or her ball on the green after marking then addresses the ball and it moves what is the rule?

In a similar vain what is the rule if the ball is replaced the marker removed and then the ball moves before it is addressed?


Thanks in advance

Has this been part of a rule change in recent years ?

Can't be 100% sure but can you not now just replace the ball ?

 

[Lump]

if a player replaces his or her ball on the green after marking then addresses the ball and it moves what is the rule?

In a similar vain what is the rule if the ball is replaced the marker removed and then the ball moves before it is addressed?


Thanks in advance

1) No penalty as long as said player is sure they have not caused the ball to move, play the ball from its new position.
2) No penalty, play ball from new position.

 

[doublebogey7]

a) if a player replaces his or her ball on the green after marking then addresses the ball and it moves what is the rule?

b) In a similar vain what is the rule if the ball is replaced the marker removed and then the ball moves before it is addressed?


Thanks in advance

a) The player incurs a penalty of one stroke unless it is known or virtually certain that the player did not cause his ball to move.

b) As long as the player did not cause the ball to move, there is no penalty and the ball should be played as it lies.

 

[doublebogey7]

1) No penalty as long as said player is sure they have not caused the ball to move, play the ball from its new position.
2) No penalty, play ball from new position.

Not quite, there has to be evidence that something else has caused the ball to move

 

[Lump]

Not quite, there has to be evidence that something else has caused the ball to move

True, but what if said player is putting on a serve slope and the ball moves after addressing (perfectly calm day)

Does the slope quantify as evidence?

 

[doublebogey7]

True, but what if said player is putting on a serve slope and the ball moves after addressing (perfectly calm day)

Does the slope quantify as evidence?

No see decision 18-2b/1

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-A...cisionId=2A104B12-1E4F-454B-8B66-DF9EED486316

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Thanks guys,

I guess there is chance for a few disagreements here, it is unlikely anyone would not be certain they have not caused the ball to move, in truth unless you accidentally touch the ball I would of thought you should not cause it to move as even the weight of the putter being grounded should not be sufficient to move the ball.

 

[Colin L]

A few misunderstandings to start with but all picked up and sorted out during the conversation. It's all been said, but it might be worth drawing it together in summary:

For a ball moving after it has been addressed, Rule 18-2b applies. There was a Rule change in 2012 which introduced an Exception to the penalty for your ball moving after it is addressed. Previously, it was simply deemed that you had caused it to move. Now if it is known or virtually certain that you did not, you are not penalised and you play the ball as it lies. This applies everywhere, not just on the putting green. To know or to be virtually certain you did not cause your ball to move, you need to be able to identify what did move it - a gust of wind perhaps. A positive ID of something else is required - but gravity doesn't count. Nor does a cry of "It wisnae me!"
Without that certainty, you are deemed to have moved the ball and must replace it with a 1 stroke penalty.

If your ball at rest moves before being addressed, it's the other way round. You would need to know positively that you had caused it to move. Otherwise, you play the ball as it lies without penalty.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

To know or to be virtually certain you did not cause your ball to move, you need to be able to identify what did move it - a gust of wind perhaps. A positive ID of something else is required - but gravity doesn't count. Nor does a cry of "It wisnae me!"

Without that certainty, you are deemed to have moved the ball and must replace it with a 1 stroke penalty.

Thanks Colin,

I guess that's just the way it goes and that's the rub of the green. One lesson here is to take care when replacing the ball if you feel there is potential for the ball to move i.e on a severe slope.

 

[Colin L]

Shaun
You don't need to worry about replacing a ball on a slope. If the ball won't stay at rest when you replace it, the rules allow you to try again. If it still won't stay put, you find the nearest place where it will. You mustn't make any extra effort - like pressing the ball into the ground - to make the ball stay on a slope when replacing.

What you do need to worry about is a ball sitting precariously on a slope anywhere - for example, sitting on a steep bank held up by a few blades of grass . The answer to that is don't address your ball; keep your club head off the ground. Jack Nicklaus did it all the time so you'd be in good company.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Shaun
You don't need to worry about replacing a ball on a slope. If the ball won't stay at rest when you replace it, the rules allow you to try again. If it still won't stay put, you find the nearest place where it will. You mustn't make any extra effort - like pressing the ball into the ground - to make the ball stay on a slope when replacing.

What you do need to worry about is a ball sitting precariously on a slope anywhere - for example, sitting on a steep bank held up by a few blades of grass . The answer to that is don't address your ball; keep your club head off the ground. Jack Nicklaus did it all the time so you'd be in good company.

Thanks Colin

 

[Foxholer]

What you do need to worry about is a ball sitting precariously on a slope anywhere - for example, sitting on a steep bank held up by a few blades of grass . The answer to that is don't address your ball; keep your club head off the ground. Jack Nicklaus did it all the time so you'd be in good company.

A technique I learned on East Lothian courses, particularly Longniddry, before the amendment came in. Very off-putting trying to line up a putt when the ball is oscillating!

 

[Colin L]

A technique I learned on East Lothian courses, particularly Longniddry, before the amendment came in. Very off-putting trying to line up a putt when the ball is oscillating!

You're not suggesting it can get windy in East Lothian are you?

I played last season at Whitekirk in such a hoolie that it wasn't just my ball that was oscillating, it was my club head and me. I normally start taking my stance with my feet together and then move them apart, but had to abandon that as it was such a narrow base I was being blown off balance.

There are calmer memories of East Lothian golf, however.

 

[Foxholer]

Sunny as usual there! It can be very calm too. I can remember it being so calm the Haar didn't move for 3 days of a Mastercard tournament at Whitekirk!

At one stage I considered arranging for my ashes to be spread over Craigielaw - until Wife stated she'd just flush them down the loo! Would have had to specify either from 11th Green of 4th Tee, depending on the 'breeze'! Imagine being short with a Driver on a Par 3 on a Saturday and then through the back with an 8-iron on the Sunday!