SocketRocket
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It's part of the story.
Atheism and Theism
- Thread starter Don Barzini
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SocketRocket
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It's people that are intent on destroying each other
SocketRocket
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You appear to have a problem with others holding a belief. You can leave them to their belief and live your life as you wish.
SocketRocket
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We are all free to accept or reject it. Why do you have a need to know where and when that God said (or sat) that or wrote it down?
SocketRocket
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Again, the religions aren't intent on destroying each other, mankind is solely responsible for this.
Swinglowandslow
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Yes, but is there not a case for believing that their religions drive the zeal with which they pursue their hatreds and thus their extreme actions?
History indicates this. ( until you consider Roman history)
Mandofred
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I wish it were this simple. I'm fine with others being as religious as they want....go to church 5 times a day.....donate their money to the church etc etc...fine with me......as long as it doesn't cause problems for other people. The vigorously religious can't seem to stop trying to force everybody else to live by their rules. If you have been keeping up with how Christianity-leaning hard liners in the US are trying to get religion into schools etc etc....it's a bit scary.
SocketRocket
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Do you believe without religion people would have lived in peace?
SocketRocket
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I don't agree with religious based schools, the state should be secular in my opinion. The mainstream churches are responsible for distorting christianity.
bobmac
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If you are accusing me of being biased against the church, you're probably right.
When you're 8 or 9 years old and your local vicar keeps trying to put his hand up your shorts, you tend to remember that sort of thing, so you'll forgive me for not being a big fan. And before you tell me not all vicars are homosexual pedophiles, I know but watching the news over the years, not a lot seems to have changed.
Here's a fun fact.....
''The Catholic Church in the United States has spent over $3 billion in settlements and awards related to clergy sexual abuse''
And that's just in the US in my lifetime.
This from October LAST YEAR.....
And if you want nearer to home, ex bishop Peter Ball
Peter Ball: Sex offender bishop died after falls at home
Peter Ball, ex-Bishop of Lewes and Gloucester, died in June after admitting sex attacks on 18 victims.
www.bbc.co.uk
D-S
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Just to add to this why on earth should there be 26 bishops (with voting rights) in the House of Lords?
SocketRocket
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I agree fully.
SocketRocket
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience. I agree completely with your condemnation of these churches and the vile people in them that have committed these crimes.If you are accusing me of being biased against the church, you're probably right.
When you're 8 or 9 years old and your local vicar keeps trying to put his hand up your shorts, you tend to remember that sort of thing, so you'll forgive me for not being a big fan. And before you tell me not all vicars are homosexual pedophiles, I know but watching the news over the years, not a lot seems to have changed.
Here's a fun fact.....
''The Catholic Church in the United States has spent over $3 billion in settlements and awards related to clergy sexual abuse''
And that's just in the US in my lifetime.
This from October LAST YEAR.....
And if you want nearer to home, ex bishop Peter Ball
Peter Ball: Sex offender bishop died after falls at home
Peter Ball, ex-Bishop of Lewes and Gloucester, died in June after admitting sex attacks on 18 victims.
Tashyboy
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So the initial OP started the thread by saying he now don’t believe in the good Lord God. Or any of them.
Nowt wrong with that at all.
However in a short period of time this thread has turned into the religious equivalent of the LIV thread and a few others on the forum.
Nowt wrong with that at all.
However in a short period of time this thread has turned into the religious equivalent of the LIV thread and a few others on the forum.
SocketRocket
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I guess that's what forums are for. It's been a well mannered discussion so far so I'll leave it that way. Thanks all
Don Barzini
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In fairness to all who have contributed, whatever the side of the fence they sit on, we’ve all kept it respectful and relatively peaceful. I didn’t expect it to get to 9 pages to be honest! I appreciate all who have contributed and hope it can continue.
(I’m not familiar with the LIV thread, truth be told!)
Swinglowandslow
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No, which is why I alluded to the Romans.
But I’m sure that much of the evil men have done to each other would not have occurred had religion beliefs not been held.
E,g, medieval England tearing itself apart……..Protestant v Catholic.
rulefan
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If 'god' didn't say or write it then a person or people wrote it. That tells us nothing about that 'god' or what they require of people. Only about the person or people and what they think their 'god' requires.
Tashyboy
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It certainly has and that is a massive credit to all posters. But it is Groundhog Day for the thread.
That I understand. It’s a shame political threads never had the same respect.
Swango1980
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Did you just compare you giving advice as the same thing as the instructions of God?
I don't believe in God, but for someone that did, I'm sure that would seem like a huge leap.
