Are you proud?

[Dando]

Firstly, the keeper missed it by a rather large fraction. Also, Rooney decided to avoid contact - the keeper made no attempt whatsoever to withdraw his tackle when it became clear he couldn't reach the ball first. At the very least it was 'careless' which is a foul. In my opinion it was 'reckless', which is a foul or yellow card.

If you make a sliding tackle and miss the ball and man, the winger probably has more incentive to stay on his feet and attack the space which has a greater chance of resulting in a chance than from a wide free kick with all men back. If your action impedes his run/balance then it would be a free kick/advantage regardless of whether you touched him or note. When in the box, the advantage to the attacker is to go down and take the penalty.

as a keeper who has played to a decent standard it's pretty hard to pull out of a sliding stop once you are committed - its part of our game and one thing we have that can help us out when an attacker is advancing into the box! Rooney had the opportunity to jump the slide and remain on his feet - he chose not too!

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Apology accepted.

That should all have happened 10 years ago. But didn't. Like I said, we're now past the point of even trying to reverse the trend. What annoys me is that every time a top player dives, it becomes such a story that it's all we hear for days. Rooney, Suarez, Bale, Gerrard etc etc. Everyone does it. Everyone will continue to do it. We'll still be talking about it in 10 years unless we move on!

Are we talking about "top players" here, or Rooney? Those 3 words don't go together that's for sure.

 

[Dando]

How was Rooney's run not impeded? He either had to jump over an obstacle (the goalkeeper) or get hit by him. I'm really struggling to see how he hasn't been impeded.

so now every time someone has to jump over a tackle there should be a free kick or penalty?

If your action diverts the winger away from his intended path or alters his balance that directly results in him being tackled, then yes you have 'fouled him' if your action was careless or reckless. The fact that referee may not give it is more a reflection on his inability to referee correctly according to the laws of the game.

shrek had the choice to stay on his feet after he cleared the keeper - I bet he would have done had it been outside the box!!!!

 

[garyinderry]

Neither happened last night. Rooney didn't jump him or get touched.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I honestly don't know anymore what is & isn't a penalty.
Some good points being made on here from both sides.
Rooney could have certainly stayed on his feet without getting injured IMO,but the keeper was a bit reckless.

 

[Tongo]

I honestly don't know anymore what is & isn't a penalty.
Some good points being made on here from both sides.
Rooney could have certainly stayed on his feet without getting injured IMO,but the keeper was a bit reckless.

If its Rooney or a Man Utd player, its a penalty.

If it was a Preston player then its not a penalty. (Substitute clubs and players as applicable)

 

[Pin-seeker]

If its Rooney or a Man Utd player, its a penalty.

If it was a Preston player then its not a penalty. (Substitute clubs and players as applicable)

I think more as been made of this because it's Rooney tbh.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is rooney still bejng defended ?

The keeper attempted to get the ball - Rooney jumped over the tackle - wasn't touched but still decided to fall over

Dive - shouldn't have been a penalty and would have booked him for trying to con the ref into giving a penalty

 

[c1973]

Sorry but "accept this as part of the game" ?!?

No should never be accepted - it should be the total opposite - full condemnation - the managers should come out and critisize the players - retrospective bans

The england manager defending Rooney was shocking - he should be condemning the player on national telly - that was spineless

That's what I felt was the worst part of it.

I accept every team has players that do it, my team included. I accept that it happens a lot in footie now, but when commentators and (in this instance) the players international manager try to brush it off and make excuses it really sticks in the throat.
They don't lose or gain anything by condemning it yet they still spout the usual crap about 'he's entitled to go down there' etc etc it puts you off watching tbh.

 

[Pin-seeker]

- Rooney jumped over the tackle - wasn't touched but still decided t

This is the problem for me,sometimes you could argue that a player goes down to avoid injury.
In this case Rooney could have easily stayed on his feet.

Be honest Phil, if it was Sterling or Gerrard you'd still be defending them next wk :thup:

 

[TheDiablo]

as a keeper who has played to a decent standard it's pretty hard to pull out of a sliding stop once you are committed - its part of our game and one thing we have that can help us out when an attacker is advancing into the box! Rooney had the opportunity to jump the slide and remain on his feet - he chose not too!

I agree it is hard to pull out of a challenge once committed - that doesn't make it any less of a foul though! Rooney could very easily have stayed on his feet - it still would have been a foul under the laws of the game but the referee would be highly unlikely to have given it. As I've said before, IMHO - clear pen, but also a dive! Who'd be a referee?! No wonder their standard is shocking...

 

[TheDiablo]

Are we talking about "top players" here, or Rooney? Those 3 words don't go together that's for sure.

Quite harsh on the lad - he will most probably end his career as both United and England's top scorer of all time. I agree he's no world beater, and its embarrassing when the English media hype him up to be, but I'd still put him in the 'top player' bracket based on both individual and team success over a prolonged period of time.

But if you insist, let's agree on 'high profile'

 

[19thagain]

What a lopsided presentation - if a punch was thrown, no foul as Rooney pulled his face out of the way to defend his good looks.

However it is only his legs that are at risk, you know the ones that make him millions, but they don't matter he should have let the keeper break them and then ..... well there would still be a question, on here, as to wither it was a penalty or is that toad faking his double fracture and ligment breaks.

For Heavens sake ... grow up and take off that green glasses as they are damaging your brain.

 

[TheDiablo]

What a lopsided presentation - if a punch was thrown, no foul as Rooney pulled his face out of the way to defend his good looks.

However it is only his legs that are at risk, you know the ones that make him millions, but they don't matter he should have let the keeper break them and then ..... well there would still be a question, on here, as to wither it was a penalty or is that toad faking his double fracture and ligment breaks.

For Heavens sake ... grow up and take off that green glasses as they are damaging your brain.

Exactly.

I often think that the majority of British football fans would prefer to see people getting injured rather than diving!

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I suspect diving/feigning injury will always be here, however at least even Italian university teams practice "diving" at the end of every training session so at least it looks real. British players go down minutes after the event and just look clumsy and stupid.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes he jumped over a tackle - so why did he dive ? Why exactly did Rooney fall to the floor like he had been shot ?

Does every time a player evade a tackle become a foul now ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Exactly.

I often think that the majority of British football fans would prefer to see people getting injured rather than diving!

Not exactly! No one wants to see anyone injured but your saying he only had 2 choices, get injured or dive!
What about jump (as he did) and land on 2 feet or at least try, he threw himself forward and dived, saved himself an injury and made it look like there was contact.
He did what 99% percent of players would do, still doesn't make it right.

 

[Birchy]

Being honest and judging the situation on merit not taking into account the player or the team it was a penalty imo.

The rules back that up. The keeper diving in forces Rooney to take evasive action or alter his run which you can only do legally by taking the ball.

 

[jp5]

Dive, pure and simple. Until the authorities punish these 'role models' nothing will change.

 

[TheDiablo]

Yes he jumped over a tackle - so why did he dive ? Why exactly did Rooney fall to the floor like he had been shot ?

Does every time a player evade a tackle become a foul now ?

To convince the referee to award the penalty. It's a shame the game has reached this stage, but it has. The media should now accept it - stop making it back page news.

FWIW he also dived against Arsenal to win the penalty that ended their undefeated run all those years ago - that shouldn't have been a penalty as the tackle was withdrawn before Rooney reached the defender, whereas last nights was not. Gerrard has also dived throughout his career, and on most occasions they have been just that, dives - but another exact example of what happened last night was against Sheffield United on the opening game of the season a few years back - there was absolutely no contact from the defender but the defenders actions meant he couldnt get his shot away - referee was correct to award the penalty.

And on the second line - No. It's been a foul for a while now. Whether you believe that law is good for football is neither here nor there.