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footballers dive? Surely not..!
pbrown7582
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They're out to get us, Jose told me
No wonder he tried so hard to sign Rooney with all the hate he'd fit in well with you!
G.U.R
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No wonder he tried so hard to sign Rooney with all the hate he'd fit in well with you!
JT didn't fancy his missus so it would never have worked
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Were Rodgers and Dalglish incompetent when they defended Suarez?
Of course they weren't, what they may have said in private is another matter, but any manager who publicly criticised one of his players would, himself, be slaughtered in the press.
bladeplayer
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Il be honest here and most of the regular contributors know i will be honest re the footy , i dont really care whether Utd win the Cup or go out in next round or what ever ,
I Thought i was losing the plot last night TBH and i now realise i no longer understand Football , hands up , there ive said it , and il take last night as an example ..
I played competitive soccer at senior level (not always good standard) from the time i was 15 and heres my take on it ..
If im standing in an offside position in the middle of the box and side step out of the way of the ball of course im interfering with play im in the keepers Vision.. IM OFFSIDE
If i push a player out of the way before i head the ball its a free Kick
If I DIVE im cheating , watch it again he kicks his right foot into the ground to simulate being fouled , im not anti rooney or anti utd , guys he dived he cheated ,
EDIT and diving cheats is something we all have at our clubs esp in the higher divisions & they are that good at it its hard for the referees to spot it so video evidence is the way forward , heavily punish the clubs first a fine (i know) but then points deductions ..
The game i grew up playing is destroyed by cheats ,
I Thought i was losing the plot last night TBH and i now realise i no longer understand Football , hands up , there ive said it , and il take last night as an example ..
I played competitive soccer at senior level (not always good standard) from the time i was 15 and heres my take on it ..
If im standing in an offside position in the middle of the box and side step out of the way of the ball of course im interfering with play im in the keepers Vision.. IM OFFSIDE
If i push a player out of the way before i head the ball its a free Kick
If I DIVE im cheating , watch it again he kicks his right foot into the ground to simulate being fouled , im not anti rooney or anti utd , guys he dived he cheated ,
EDIT and diving cheats is something we all have at our clubs esp in the higher divisions & they are that good at it its hard for the referees to spot it so video evidence is the way forward , heavily punish the clubs first a fine (i know) but then points deductions ..
The game i grew up playing is destroyed by cheats ,
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I agree 100% that it was a penalty. Rooney still 'dived' though. He's not the first England captain to dive, and almost certainly wont be the last - I'm saying I'm past the point where I care about the dive.
What amazes me is the 'stay on your feet at all costs' attitude of some fans. Would the game be a better spectacle if Ronaldo or Messi broke a leg and were out for a whole season, as rather than avoid a tackle and go to ground they allowed a reckless challenge to make contact for a penalty? Yes, I've seen videos of George Best bouncing off defenders, carrying on and scoring great goals. But football has moved on since then, the players are fitter and stronger, hence the challenges coming in with more force.
I'd much rather see top players jumping out the way of a reckless challenge (which, as already pointed out above, is still a foul) and looking for a penalty then not avoiding it and potentially suffering injury. And before people shout "why can't they avoid contact, stay on their feet and play on?" have a think about that situation last night. The GK committed a foul - period. Had Rooney have hurdled the challenge, Dowd probably would have awarded a goal kick. Until referees award fouls based on the actions of the defender and not the reactions of the attacker - to be doing his job correctly, the attacker has to go down!
What amazes me is the 'stay on your feet at all costs' attitude of some fans. Would the game be a better spectacle if Ronaldo or Messi broke a leg and were out for a whole season, as rather than avoid a tackle and go to ground they allowed a reckless challenge to make contact for a penalty? Yes, I've seen videos of George Best bouncing off defenders, carrying on and scoring great goals. But football has moved on since then, the players are fitter and stronger, hence the challenges coming in with more force.
I'd much rather see top players jumping out the way of a reckless challenge (which, as already pointed out above, is still a foul) and looking for a penalty then not avoiding it and potentially suffering injury. And before people shout "why can't they avoid contact, stay on their feet and play on?" have a think about that situation last night. The GK committed a foul - period. Had Rooney have hurdled the challenge, Dowd probably would have awarded a goal kick. Until referees award fouls based on the actions of the defender and not the reactions of the attacker - to be doing his job correctly, the attacker has to go down!
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So would you have applied the same 'reckless' logic if Rooney had been running directly at goal and the keeper had dived and taken the ball from Rooney's feet?! I think almost every pundit would have called that 'brave', as it's exactly what is expected of a keeper! I haven't met a keeper yet who hasn't got a screw loose, and I've (somewhat surprisingly) known quite a few!
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Good point, especially about the average goalkeepers mental state! I think it only becomes reckless when you miss the ball by miles, don't pull out, or actually do some damage etc. It's such a dodgy area and all subjective at the end of the day as it's the ref's decision as to what is or isn't reckless/excessive. Notwithstanding what the rules say it's clear that ref's are much more likely to rule in the tacklers favour and let the "hard challenge" go if they do win the ball and it's well timed etc. If they are nowhere near then there's little choice. Loved Kevin Davies getting the sympathy vote btw......class....."look Kev, you're knackered, you are getting subbed soon so I'll let you off you lucky boy".
pbrown7582
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hey, as a former keeper im not happy you going on about our mental state!!!! i'll have you know I can count to potato!
in all seriousness the keeper was fully entitled to go for the ball yet somehow the fridge towing a bus that is Rooney managed to get there first and toe poke it away then decided to cheat by simulating that he had been fouled.
all respect to Kilbane after for saying what he did and I cant believe that bellend Neville kept a straight face when he said there was no contact but it was a penalty!
Foxholer
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You (well, the rest of us) do have wonder what would make someone want to throw themself head first at the feet of a forward risking getting a serious injury! And you are definitely likely to end up with elbow and knee problems - and probably fingers and hand ones too with the inevitable breaks!
That's was just a ridiculous statement for Neville to make!
garyinderry
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It was reckless of the keeper to come flying out and try and win the ball. The tackle itself was NOT reckless. He missed the ball by a fraction and also missed the player.
It does not give the forward the right to simulate that there was contact.
If a winger goes past me and I make a sliding tackle, miss the ball and the man the ref doesn't blow up fir a foul.
How is this any different?
It does not give the forward the right to simulate that there was contact.
If a winger goes past me and I make a sliding tackle, miss the ball and the man the ref doesn't blow up fir a foul.
How is this any different?
Firstly, the keeper missed it by a rather large fraction. Also, Rooney decided to avoid contact - the keeper made no attempt whatsoever to withdraw his tackle when it became clear he couldn't reach the ball first. At the very least it was 'careless' which is a foul. In my opinion it was 'reckless', which is a foul or yellow card.
If you make a sliding tackle and miss the ball and man, the winger probably has more incentive to stay on his feet and attack the space which has a greater chance of resulting in a chance than from a wide free kick with all men back. If your action impedes his run/balance then it would be a free kick/advantage regardless of whether you touched him or note. When in the box, the advantage to the attacker is to go down and take the penalty.
garyinderry
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He mistimed and coming at pace cannot really stop due to momentum. Rooney ' s run was not impeded. He believed it was going to be then as he passed him dug his toes into the ground simulating the contact.
If a winger goes past me sliding in and is immediately tackled by one of my team mates the ref does not blow and pull the play back. There is no foul.
If a winger goes past me sliding in and is immediately tackled by one of my team mates the ref does not blow and pull the play back. There is no foul.
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No problem with anything you've put, except Rooney threw himself, from what you've put it was a penalty even if he stayed on his feet or at least try!!
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Agree with most of that but instead of manages coming out critisizing they should stop there players cheating.
Of course this will never happen now.
The op must now all teams do this so no need to single out just one
Agree with most of that but instead of manages coming out critisizing they should stop there players cheating.
Of course this will never happen now.
The op must now all teams do this so no need to single out just one
garyinderry
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He missed ball, man everything. Rooney didn't have to move out of his way at all. Had he been forced to hurdle him them then yes it would be a foul but he was past him with no contact.
It only took a fraction if a second to miss everything but he did. Both players moving a pace.
It only took a fraction if a second to miss everything but he did. Both players moving a pace.
I played in goal all my life and really enjoyed it (they always put the fat kid in goal). as for injuries, my elbows are fine buy my knee are fcucked (4 ops) and I had to give up the gloves last season due to a shoulder injury that I am still having physio on (it doesn't affect my golf that much thank dog). Plus I have some stud marks in the back of my head! I have not broken and fingers playing football - they got broken playing cricket!
How was Rooney's run not impeded? He either had to jump over an obstacle (the goalkeeper) or get hit by him. I'm really struggling to see how he hasn't been impeded.
If your action diverts the winger away from his intended path or alters his balance that directly results in him being tackled, then yes you have 'fouled him' if your action was careless or reckless. The fact that referee may not give it is more a reflection on his inability to referee correctly according to the laws of the game.
