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Are the new generation of golfers being conned?

So mizzy said " can't beat em join em "
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Not exactly. They realised they were getting a bad reputation because of the arms race of loft, and there was a consumer demand for it, so they moved part way that direction. They are still well behind some of the TM and Cally irons, and haven't changed the shaft lengths.

On the Mizuno forum, one of the Mizuno staff said:

The MPs are about as weak as we can get away with nowadays. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for us to be a club shorter than all of our competitors. So much comes down to comparative testing (Golf Digest etc ). The market standard has changed - Mizuno has had to follow suit.
 
I believe it is usually the game improver or super game improvement irons that have stronger lofts.
My tm tour pref are the same loft as mizuno mp68s.
 
Mizuno recently commented that they were forced, reluctantly, to slightly strengthen the lofts of their irons because they were getting press coverage that they were short compared to other brands.
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I think if anything that's where golfers may be being 'conned'. Personally it really doesn't bother me if my playing partner hits a 7 iron and I hit a 5 iron off the tee on a par 3, I just want to be on the green nearer the pin than him! ;)

Golf is our main sport and passtime, we invest a lot of time in playing, some even practice!, so I think it's probably almost a given that we will also invest some cash in having decent kit and most people are likely to be tweeking their clubs one way or another, even if it's only the kit we aspire to - it's fun and part of the game surely.

As to whether or not custom fitting is worthwhile; I would think that a true custom fit would work when you put your 'A Game' swing on the ball and that doesn't happen often enough (for my satisfaction that is). Of course every time I address the ball the intention is to utilise the 'A Game' swing and one things for sure, when I do I sure don't want the wrong fit club in my hand! :p
 
Much as I love Mizuno gear. I really don't like the JPX ad in the front cover of GM this month. 220yards with a 6 iron! I play with guys that can't do that with a driver.

Okay the advert doesn't actually say 'you can hit 220 with a 6' but the implication is there.

Avertising like that actually puts me off stuff.

Oh. And did I mention the whole Japanese cartoon'y thing. Yuck! Seen much better Japanese cartoons. :o :D
 
Agreed Ethan, however as technology progresses they will inevitably look at making the irons go further, i believe the sgi irons, or the gi irons have the stronger lofts as with current tech they can get the ball high, even with say a 21 deg 4 iron (burner 2.0). I am not saying its right or wrong, but maybe what is selling clubs. I have said it before that I want a manufacturer to tell me that my dispersion is improved on consistant strikes rather than my distance, but for the most part i dont think that sells as many clubs as it involves practice too..
:)
 
So mizzy said " can't beat em join em "
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Not exactly. They realised they were getting a bad reputation because of the arms race of loft, and there was a consumer demand for it, so they moved part way that direction. They are still well behind some of the TM and Cally irons, and haven't changed the shaft lengths.

On the Mizuno forum, one of the Mizuno staff said:

The MPs are about as weak as we can get away with nowadays. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for us to be a club shorter than all of our competitors. So much comes down to comparative testing (Golf Digest etc ). The market standard has changed - Mizuno has had to follow suit.
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In a sense Ethan this is what I wonder about. The numbers (i.e how far it goes) are dictating things rather than letting our eyes and and hands tell us which are the right clubs (i.e. nice feel, nice flight). Does that also apply to the spin rates, launch angles etc where we need an expert to interpret them and tell us which is the best club, and we feel we can no longer judge for ourselves?

I always used to think choosing a club was mostly a subjectve activity, as most clubs were much of a muchness perfromance wise. Has that really changed and do the differences in these numbers, beyond a certain point, really deliver significant benefits for the average golfer?
 
So mizzy said " can't beat em join em "
Click to expand...

Not exactly. They realised they were getting a bad reputation because of the arms race of loft, and there was a consumer demand for it, so they moved part way that direction. They are still well behind some of the TM and Cally irons, and haven't changed the shaft lengths.

On the Mizuno forum, one of the Mizuno staff said:

The MPs are about as weak as we can get away with nowadays. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for us to be a club shorter than all of our competitors. So much comes down to comparative testing (Golf Digest etc ). The market standard has changed - Mizuno has had to follow suit.
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In a sense Ethan this is what I wonder about. The numbers (i.e how far it goes) are dictating things rather than letting our eyes and and hands tell us which are the right clubs (i.e. nice feel, nice flight). Does that also apply to the spin rates, launch angles etc where we need an expert to interpret them and tell us which is the best club, and we feel we can no longer judge for ourselves?

I always used to think choosing a club was mostly a subjectve activity, as most clubs were much of a muchness perfromance wise. Has that really changed and do the differences in these numbers, beyond a certain point, really deliver significant benefits for the average golfer?
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I agree that there are minor differences between many iron club heads, but there is a lot to be said for getting fitted to determine the right shaft and getting the lie and grip size right for you, whether you prefer Mizuno, Ping or whatever.
 
One thing i have noticed was my last irons were really comfy in the way of grips, when i got my new burners, although the grip is standard, they feel so thin, almost like holding a macdonalds straw .
 
Over the years all new irons have been designed to have a lower centre of gavity. It's a wonder it has'nt reached Australia yet!
Bob. A great post. I am 100% with you on this.
It's the duff shots that are the killer and no set of new shiney clubs is going to cure that. As for the three putts,say no more.
 
As for the three putts,say no more.
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What do you mean say no more :eek:??? ;)

This area of the game is just as bad.
People flicking their wrists, turning their hips, turning their shoulders and generally moving all over the place. But all they are worried about is whether they should change from a face balanced or go to a mallet, or add some lead tape to make the face release more or should I have 3 or 4 degrees of loft on my Itsy bitsy craze bettinardi medium soft insert cameron.
Learn how to putt and you can putt with anything.
 
What do you mean say no more :eek:??? ;)

This area of the game is just as bad.
People flicking their wrists, turning their hips, turning their shoulders and generally moving all over the place. But all they are worried about is whether they should change from a face balanced or go to a mallet, or add some lead tape to make the face release more or should I have 3 or 4 degrees of loft on my Itsy bitsy craze bettinardi medium soft insert cameron.
Learn how to putt and you can putt with anything.
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Last round I played one of the guys was giving advice to a relative newbie on putting, he was saying that he should use his legs more and move his weight toward the ball like Tiger does!?! :eek:
 
I'm not saying that you'd teach anyone to sway about or use some leg action or whatever but it isn't wrong to putt like that as long as the blade comes back and starts the ball off where you want it.

If you look at YE Yang's putting he sways all over the place - MAJOR WINNER.

Have a look at GMac flicking his right knee at a lot of putts - MAJOR WINNER

It's not how, it's how many.
 
Pretty sure Tiger doesn't putt like that though! and I would say that to give that sort of advice to a beginner probably isn't going to help them groove a nice repeatable putting stroke.

Sure there are tour Pro's that can make it work, but they probably have a modicum more talent :)
 
Pretty sure Tiger doesn't putt like that though! and I would say that to give that sort of advice to a beginner probably isn't going to help them groove a nice repeatable putting stroke.

Sure there are tour Pro's that can make it work, but they probably have a modicum more talent :)
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Absolutely, Tiger is the model of a textbook set up and stroke for putting. I'm sure coaches reference him for their students to look at.

Saying that, I'm sure most of us have come across a really deadly putter at our clubs who has a big wrist hinge, a sway, a head bob and chases it with his legs (maybe not all at the same time :D)

It's a brave man who tells him he should change his stroke just after he's holed another tramliner to kick your arse 5&4. :o

Even take Jack Nicklaus, he was so crouched that if Bob had gave him a V-easy the forks would have skewered through his ears!! :D

Different strokes for different folks. ;)
 
Even take Jack Nicklaus, he was so crouched that if Bob had gave him a V-easy the forks would have skewered through his ears!!

That must be the stack and tilt putting stroke, as JustOne putts like that too.
 
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