Another year but sadly the same old Crap to listen to...

[Dodger]

6 Nations......why oh why do the BBC persist with Davies and that cretin Moore??

Moore has to be the biggest bellend in sport punditry.He would be more accurate if he put a microphone to his arse.

 

[brendy]

Not like he is biased either!

 

[stevek1969]

Had to switch it of that voice of Davies goes right thru you,its as if his boxers are to tight

 

[Leftie]

I listen to the commentary on Radio 5 Live while watching. Far better.

 

[GB72]

I do not have as much of a problem with Brian Moore. He says what he thinks and he isnot averse to getting stuck into the English if it is warranted (which it has not been so much over the last 12 months).

People complained that he was havin too much of a go at referees and did not know what he was talking about so he went and qualified as one. Now you cannot say that he does not know the rules and has the certificate to proove it.

I am not a fan of Davies and if you want to talk about bias we have had Eddie Butler slamming the English for years. Even at club level you have Stuart Barnes slagging the Tigers.

I think the thing is with the 6 nations is that it is difficult to keep the passion in check and every nation will have certain issue with commentators from the other 5 nations. We have not had a truely great commentator since Bill Mclaren and with the obsession with ex sporting greats I doubt we will have another with such a gift for words.

Still, even as an englishman I cannot stand Jeremy Guscott. May be down to his background at Bath but something about his oice just rubs me up the wrong way.

 

[Aztecs27]

I enjoy Brian Moore as he's not biased but I enjoyed Lawrence's commentary as a change yesterday.

 

[Dodger]

I enjoy Brian Moore as he's not biased but I enjoyed Lawrence's commentary as a change yesterday.

You may actually be the only person in the world who thinks that cretin is not biased.

 

[Aztecs27]

I enjoy Brian Moore as he's not biased but I enjoyed Lawrence's commentary as a change yesterday.

You may actually be the only person in the world who thinks that cretin is not biased.

How is he biased? He lays into the English team all the time if necessary. Bigging them up even when they suck would mean he is biased. He hates the referees, but with good reason, they are mostly shite.

His hate for the Southern Hemisphere teams (particularly the Aussies) is obvious, but then, who doesn't hate them? and who can blame him?

 

[Yerman]

I enjoy Brian Moore as he's not biased but I enjoyed Lawrence's commentary as a change yesterday.

You may actually be the only person in the world who thinks that cretin is not biased.

and probably several other worlds.

 

[Whereditgo]

He hates the referees, but with good reason, they are mostly shite.

Referee's have never been able to judge what happens in the front row of the scrum, Moore knows this as an ex very combative member of that strange club. All the best front row forwards I ever played with had the mentality that their's was a game within a game and if they won the scrummage, by fair means or foul, then the had won irrespective of which side scored more points! Strange lot!

The Law changes at the scrum are ineffective, beats me what all this "touch, pause, engage" rubbish is meant to achieve. The loose ruck Laws, his other 'beef' are not the fault of the referee's.

I liked him as a player, for his aggression and competitiveness. The persistant point scoring between Moore and Butler is very boring IMO

 

[thecraw]

And I though you had seen the light and were about to admit too the amout of crap than Neil Lennon spouts week in week out!!!!

 

[Aztecs27]

He hates the referees, but with good reason, they are mostly shite.

Referee's have never been able to judge what happens in the front row of the scrum, Moore knows this as an ex very combative member of that strange club. All the best front row forwards I ever played with had the mentality that their's was a game within a game and if they won the scrummage, by fair means or foul, then the had won irrespective of which side scored more points! Strange lot!

The Law changes at the scrum are ineffective, beats me what all this "touch, pause, engage" rubbish is meant to achieve. The loose ruck Laws, his other 'beef' are not the fault of the referee's.

I liked him as a player, for his aggression and competitiveness. The persistant point scoring between Moore and Butler is very boring IMO

Actually agree with what most of you have said there. Moore's rants are somewhat amusing to me, mostly because I'm usually half cut and very easily amused, but I respect the fact he doesn't hold back and says what he feels, right or wrong, not enough of that in sport IMO.

With regards to the scrum, I think they should make a new rule that any team that cannot effectively form a competitive scrummage should be banned from international rugby.

 

[sev112]

i get a bit p'd off that Moore is constantly criticising teh english ! Eddie Butler is just so anti-english that he can find a celtic link in every other country in eth rugby playing hemisphere purely to slag us off and engage that massive chip on his shoulder

 

[sev112]

And here's a controversial one
All of eth welsh jumped straight on eth bandwagon that Southwell shoudl have been sent off (yellow)

Look at it in slow motion; Southwell gets close to the point of contact with Byrne, realises that he's not going to make it to the contact first, and doesnt jump. Note he does not hit Byrne with any part of his body other than his face.

Note also that Byrne jumps with his foot and studs raised to the oncoming player.

The actual debate shoudl be whether Byrne (or any other jumping player) should be able to raise their studs towards the incoming opponent. The jumping player is protected by the rules in that they cannot be tackled in teh air; they do not need additional protection by sticking their boots up.

Look at it another way, if you were running at me to tackle me i woudl not be allowed to stick my boot up in your incoming face to stop you.

i speak as a (small) winger/back who has had to jump to take these sots of catches.


Awaiting the vitriole to come (in eth spirit of debate) ........

 

[USER1999]

I think unnless you are on a pogo stick, at some point, you are going to need to raise your knees when you jump, and your boots correspondingly.

 

[Aztecs27]

i get a bit p'd off that Moore is constantly criticising teh english ! Eddie Butler is just so anti-english that he can find a celtic link in every other country in eth rugby playing hemisphere purely to slag us off and engage that massive chip on his shoulder

He only berates the English when it's necessary! He's not really done it in the last 12 months since they've got their act together. It's not like he's anti-english, he's probably the most patriotic bloke there is! He just gets P.O'd when his country is playing like a second rate championship side, I can't blame him, so do I!

 

[Whereditgo]

Look at it in slow motion; Southwell gets close to the point of contact with Byrne, realises that he's not going to make it to the contact first, and doesnt jump. Note he does not hit Byrne with any part of his body other than his face.

Not sure what point you are making here? You are correct in your description of the the contact situation. I get the impression that you think that because Southwell did not jump he did the right thing and therefore should not have been carded?

The Laws governing that contact situation are interpreted such that you cannot make contact with the player who is airborne if you are on the ground. Southwell not jumping to contest the ball was an error of judgement on his part IMO and caused Byrne to land in a dangerous manner, therfore he should have been carded.

Note also that Byrne jumps with his foot and studs raised to the oncoming player.

The actual debate shoudl be whether Byrne (or any other jumping player) should be able to raise their studs towards the incoming opponent. The jumping player is protected by the rules in that they cannot be tackled in teh air; they do not need additional protection by sticking their boots up.

Look at it another way, if you were running at me to tackle me i woudl not be allowed to stick my boot up in your incoming face to stop you.

i speak as a (small) winger/back who has had to jump to take these sots of catches.

Players of the team that kicked can only make contact with the player attempting the clean catch in the air if they are also in the air contesting the ball, with their face along with the rest of their body out of harms way. It's virtually impossible for the catcher to take a running leap that high in the air and keep both legs perpendicular.

If the chaser is about to make a highly dangerous and, by the Laws of the game, illegal contact and in doing so runs the risk of copping a boot in his face then tough! The catcher is at risk of a potentially far more serious injury!

p.s. - they're Laws not "rules"


Not exactly vitriolic, but hopefully in the spirit of the debate......by a former centre threequarter who has chased down countless kicks

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Personally I don't think the BBC or Sky have outstanding commentators and it makes you miss Nigel Starmer-Smith and Bill McClaren even more

 

[SS2]

i get a bit p'd off that Moore is constantly criticising teh english ! Eddie Butler is just so anti-english that he can find a celtic link in every other country in eth rugby playing hemisphere purely to slag us off and engage that massive chip on his shoulder

Are you existing in a parallel universe entirely separate from the rest of planet earth ? Eddie Butler is in no way anti-English although he is guilty of being a poor commentator. Brian Moore, for all his obvious faults, can criticise the England team where necessary, a quality which the Welshman Johnathan "the squeaky noise, please turn it off" Davies is blatantly unable to do. if I had a dog, I guarantee that it would leave the room whenever Davies starts to speak. Why can't we have Keith Wood's gentle, easy listening tones summarising the play instead ?

IMHO, England have played great rugby in the 6 nations and, for the first time in many years, I have enjoyed watching them play. Their destruction of Italy was a masterclass in possession and finishing.

 

[Crazyface]

It all looks like rugby league nowadays. Man and ball go to ground and everyone stands off waiting for it to come out a la rugby league. utter rubbish. I've stopped watching it. It's a completely different game to when I played.