Annual Review - Scotland

[ger147]

I have a question about my annual review and whether my handicap is likely to be cut or not.

I started this season off 19 but in June I shot 4 under my HC and was cut to 18. I followed that up 2 weeks later by playing 5 shots under on a Sat and being cut to 16 then 3 shots under the next day and cut again to 15 (18.7 down to 15.2 to be precise).

My understanding is if I was in England that series of results would have triggered a further ESR reduction but that didn't happen to me as I'm in Scotland. I just wondered if that would mean I would be flagged in the annual review for a cut, or does the fact I've played in 10 comps since with 5 x buffer and 5 x 0.1 and am now on 15.7 negate what happened in June?

 

[rosecott]

I would suspect that 50% in buffer from those 10 comps taken together with the previous "better than buffer" rounds would produce a recommendation for further reduction on AR.

 

[patricks148]

I have a question about my annual review and whether my handicap is likely to be cut or not.

I started this season off 19 but in June I shot 4 under my HC and was cut to 18. I followed that up 2 weeks later by playing 5 shots under on a Sat and being cut to 16 then 3 shots under the next day and cut again to 15 (18.7 down to 15.2 to be precise).

My understanding is if I was in England that series of results would have triggered a further ESR reduction but that didn't happen to me as I'm in Scotland. I just wondered if that would mean I would be flagged in the annual review for a cut, or does the fact I've played in 10 comps since with 5 x buffer and 5 x 0.1 and am now on 15.7 negate what happened in June?

Id be surprised, the guys at my club last year went from 18 to 9 and had no AR. Plus when i started playing at another club i went from 24 to 12 in less than 3 months and had no AR either. Im not sure many Handicap secs in scotland are that that keen on extra cuts on AR.

I could be wrong though and they might cut you to 4

 

[ger147]

Id be surprised, the guys at my club last year went from 18 to 9 and had no AR. Plus when i started playing at another club i went from 24 to 12 in less than 3 months and had no AR either. Im not sure many Handicap secs in scotland are that that keen on extra cuts on AR.

I could be wrong though and they might cut you to 4

4 would be fun. It would take me about 3 years to get to 11 or 12 😂😂

 

[IanG]

Yep, I share Patrick feeling that AR cuts up here are rare as Hen's teeth - anyone had one ??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you were at our club and we ran off the annual review then you would be flagged for a possible cut.

 

[Foxholer]

Here's the reasoning and algorithm for the AR Report http://www.congu.com/faqs/old_site/Review of Handicaps.pdf

So flagged for reduction if FinalHCap * 1.237 + 1.57 > Avg Nett Score - 3
Edit: Not sure whether it should be + or - 3 and > or < and manflu prevents me thinking it out properly! Doh!

You might be able to work that out for yourself from Player History.

If you were at our club and we ran off the annual review then you would be flagged for a possible cut.

Without the actual scores, [Spock mode] that's illogical! [/Spock mode]

 

[Val]

Gerry, as Foxholer suggested there is a formula that HC secs should work to, worth remembering though that although cuts are nice do you want a HC you might struggle to play to? I had one years ago and it wasn't fun when I got a merit cut of 2 shots for shooting 6 under the CSS par 68, CSS normally 66), went from never breaking 80 to having to do it every week to stop increases

 

[Val]

Should add that at my current club that in my first season at the AR I was increased a shot for only playing to HC once in 18 comps

 

[ger147]

Gerry, as Foxholer suggested there is a formula that HC secs should work to, worth remembering though that although cuts are nice do you want a HC you might struggle to play to? I had one years ago and it wasn't fun when I got a merit cut of 2 shots for shooting 6 under the CSS par 68, CSS normally 66), went from never breaking 80 to having to do it every week to stop increases

I'm not after a cut, I'm just not the most patient of chaps so was wondering if anyone knew what would happen to me at AR time. Looks like l'll just have to wait and see.

 

[rosecott]

Id be surprised, the guys at my club last year went from 18 to 9 and had no AR. Plus when i started playing at another club i went from 24 to 12 in less than 3 months and had no AR either. Im not sure many Handicap secs in scotland are that that keen on extra cuts on AR.

I could be wrong though and they might cut you to 4

Yep, I share Patrick feeling that AR cuts up here are rare as Hen's teeth - anyone had one ??

If true, I would be very interested to know why Scottish Handicap Secs are so reluctant to conform to the recommendations of CONGU. After all, the SGU has signed up as a member of the Council of National Golf Unions.

 

[IanG]

Should add that at my current club that in my first season at the AR I was increased a shot for only playing to HC once in 18 comps

Thanks, so AR's can happen in the wild up here too - good to hear.

Trying to work out my numbers for the formulae referred to in the congu links provided ( I like sums).
Anyone know if comps which end up RO are ignored by the algorithm? - you could argue it both ways I guess.

 

[rosecott]

Thanks, so AR's can happen in the wild up here too - good to hear.

Trying to work out my numbers for the formulae referred to in the congu links provided ( I like sums).
Anyone know if comps which end up RO are ignored by the algorithm? - you could argue it both ways I guess.

I would think they are just treated as SSS+3.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm not after a cut, I'm just not the most patient of chaps so was wondering if anyone knew what would happen to me at AR time. Looks like l'll just have to wait and see.

as outlined there are a number of elements, not least of which is that the most likely outcome would be a subjective assessment of the objective data ie you may fall into the non-clear cut recommendation from the system - a maybe

interestingly (or not!) based on "I started this season off 19 but in June I shot 4 under my HC and was cut to 18. I followed that up 2 weeks later by playing 5 shots under on a Sat and being cut to 16 then 3 shots under the next day and cut again to 15 (18.7 down to 15.2 to be precise)." you wouldn't have seen any practical difference even if the ESR had been applied as I suspect it would only have been 0.5 so your 16.1(16) -> 15.2 (15) would have been 16.1->15.6(16)->14.7 (15) then if the ESR had been 1 then 16.1->15.1 (15) -> 14.5 (15)

I post this to help people appreciate that the timing and nature of an ESR can have little practical impact on an improving golfer (which is it's target group in the first place) - your data illustrates this beautifully.

As Rosecott suggests, you are more likely to be assessed as outperforming your current handicap on the relationship between your recent consistent performances at your new level than the 3 scores outlined - the system has already adjusted you fully for those.