Andrew arrested!

[Voyager EMH]

These searches will relate solely to securing evidence relating to an offence of misconduct in public office, or similar offences. Anything else discovered is incidental, and will be seized and dealt with accordingly. That is how it works, not in the way you imagine.

That is pretty much how I imagined. Incidentally discovering evidence of an offence while searching only for evidence of a different offence.
In effect, on the lookout for owt, but officially there for one thing only. With all officers aware of what you state as the actual procedure being adhered to.

Like searching a premises for illegal drugs and incidentally finding unlicensed firearms and bomb making equipment.
I would hope all such searches are done with awareness of a possible discovery of other wrongdoing, rather than it going undiscovered.

Current topic - I will certainly be happy with anything about any wrongdoing being found - incidentally.

 

[Voyager EMH]

1. Are you going to volunteer to brush his teeth and wipe for him?
2. Can you just imagine him in general population?

1. No

2. Yes. Doubt if he can though. I think he would rather...

 

[Bunkermagnet]

1. No

2. Yes. Doubt if he can though. I think he would rather...

Do you think they'll check every orifice for contraband on his booking in?

 

[nickjdavis]

Will actual charges be laid against Andrew before or after Man Citys 115 charges are heard?

Or is it more likely that we will place a man on Mars first?

I know where Im putting my money.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Will actual charges be laid against Andrew before or after Man Citys 115 charges are heard?

Or is it more likely that we will place a man on Mars first?

I know where Im putting my money.

 

[Imurg]

 

[venger]

Who did it better?

 

[Tashyboy]

This might be a tad controversial, but why do you assume the Crown has only just found out about his actions?
I would suggest Mandy has been stripped of everything and will probably face the courts probably sooner than AMW

I don’t think they have only just found out, but there decision was well met. But who exactly told the Crown, the Government
If they did, then surely at the same time they knew all about Mandleson.

 

[Tashyboy]

You do realise, I take it, that any barrister worth their salary, never mind the best money can buy, will absolutely rip to shreds any case, the foundation of which is a search of premises which has not been conducted strictly according to the power used?

The officers conducting these searches absolutely will not be working on the basis that they are looking for “anything incriminating about anything”. If the officer in charge of a S18 search was ever to give evidence during which they suggested they had been on what amounted to a fishing expedition, seeking anything they could find which may be incriminating regardless of the offence to which the material relates, then there is every possibility that the entire search may be ruled unlawful. That in turn would very likely mean all evidence secured from the search would be inadmissible.

Your opening comment was pretty unambiguous. When I suggested that was not how things worked, you asked a supplementary question and I clarified exactly what the position is - any evidence relating to other matters may still be seized under a different section of PACE. But such material CANNOT be a focus of any search under S18 of PACE. The law does not allow it.

I absolutely get that we are largely disagreeing due to semantics, but there is no latitude allowed in search powers which entitles those exercising those powers to enter a property and conduct a search the focus of which is to find “anything incriminating about anything.”

These searches will relate solely to securing evidence relating to an offence of misconduct in public office, or similar offences. Anything else discovered is incidental, and will be seized and dealt with accordingly. That is how it works, not in the way you imagine.

Out of interest Billy. If a Laptop is found and the intentions of looking on said laptop is to find incriminating evidence eg emails.
If anything else is found like photographs etc could that can then be used for different charges

 

[Billysboots]

Out of interest Billy. If a Laptop is found and the intentions of looking on said laptop is to find incriminating evidence eg emails.
If anything else is found like photographs etc could that can then be used for different charges

Yes, Tash. It’s happened in any number of cases, some of them high profile ones.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I don’t think they have only just found out, but there decision was well met. But who exactly told the Crown, the Government
If they did, then surely at the same time they knew all about Mandleson.

I doubt very much the private goings on of the Royal family and it's members is fully known by the Government, no matter what we want to believe.

 

[Tashyboy]

I doubt very much the private goings on of the Royal family and it's members is fully known by the Government, no matter what we want to believe.

They probably didn’t, but it’s interesting that the government is now looking into legislation to stop AM becoming King, but again, what about Mandleson.
I should hate for this to turn into a political point scoring event.

 

[D-S]

Why the equivocation about removing Andrew from the line of succession? For most people I guess they thought he was removed from it when he was de-Princed.

If he hasn’t been removed yet and before his arrest wasn’t set to be removed, were the Royal family, if some sort of tragedy had occurred, been happy for him to become Head of State a week or a month ago?

The fact that someone with his record could have become King, Head of State, protector of the faith etc. makes me feel quite uneasy about my previous mild acceptance of that institution.

 

[Hobbit]

Why the equivocation about removing Andrew from the line of succession? For most people I guess they thought he was removed from it when he was de-Princed.

If he hasn’t been removed yet and before his arrest wasn’t set to be removed, were the Royal family, if some sort of tragedy had occurred, been happy for him to become Head of State a week or a month ago?

The fact that someone with his record could have become King, Head of State, protector of the faith etc. makes me feel quite uneasy about my previous mild acceptance of that institution.

Currently, he’s 8th in line of succession. It would take some weird circumstances for him to get the throne. I think removing him from the list is more to do with removing a stain.

 

[bobmac]

I guess innocent until proven guilty is out of the window?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I guess innocent until proven guilty is out of the window?

I’m confused weren’t you just the other day calling for Charles to be collared even though he’s never done anything but you had him guilty by association to some clergyman from years ago but now you’re stating innocent until proven guilty .

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Looking at that succession list, if we ever need to go beyond number 4 then republican's will seriously fancy their chances.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I guess innocent until proven guilty is out of the window?

Interesting - was that the same with Charles

 

[D-S]

Currently, he’s 8th in line of succession. It would take some weird circumstances for him to get the throne. I think removing him from the list is more to do with removing a stain.


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Who cares if he’s 1st, 2nd, 8th or 15th? - as they say you’ve got to be in it to win it!

Where’s the cut of point to be taken off? 3rd, 4th 10th?

I can’t think of any post which has any sort of dignity or probity that someone with the issues that surround him wouldn’t be removed from the candidate list, blackballed, persona non grata etc.. immediately..

To even have the remotest possibility that he might become Head of State by right, with no choice or selection is frankly appalling.

Just imagine if someone equally disgraced was still on the long list of candidates for a key position (DG of BBC, Head of NHS or the like) but not to worry he has little chance of getting the job. Really?

 

[Voyager EMH]

Waste of time and effort to be removing him from the list.
He has had, and will have, only one direction on list - downwards.
OK - he moves up one place when a monarch dies, but births to bump him down occur more frequently over time. He was 2nd when he was born and there has been only one death.
If he lives well into his 90s, he could end up about 16th - 20th. And no one will care very much or at all.
I mean really - Lilibet is before him and she is more than 60 years younger.

(Princess Alexandra was 6th in line when she was born, she presented the cup at the 1968 FA cup final, she is 58th in line now and many people have no idea who she is.)

The chap has no future.
It will be interesting to see "The law take its course" but he is, after all, just one of a great many very seriously questionable people linked with a scumbag of the lowest order.
Our attention might be better directed to others from now on.