And, we're off.....2016/17

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davemc1 said:
Dunno what's less of a surprise, Lpool messing up another transfer or you lot still harping on over it 💤
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Wake up soft lad, a red resurrected it :whoo:

We just piled on the bandwagon :rofl:
 
With two jumping out of the chair arms raised YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS's.
I have some consolation tonight that my English born and raised younger daughter is now a Scotland supporter.
 
Stuart_C said:
Show him the door.

But you and I well know the Manager isn't in full control Of The transfers.
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Show him the door ?! Really - is that not being a bit daft - what exactly does that achieve in the grand scheme of things
 
Liverbirdie said:
Even if it was Klopp, you still dont show him the door. You're being daft now.
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Liverpoolphil said:
Show him the door ?! Really - is that not being a bit daft - what exactly does that achieve in the grand scheme of things
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Sound, we'll just keep people who make major feck ups in the transfer market Eh.

It's hypothetical though. Nevertheless whoever is incharge of this mess needs to be shown the door.

What do we do?
 
Stuart_C said:
Sound, we'll just keep people who make major feck ups in the transfer market Eh.

It's hypothetical though. Nevertheless whoever is incharge of this mess needs to be shown the door.
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Listen we dont fully KNOW yet, what we overstepped the mark on. Rumours of videos etc, but we dont know.

So do we go and get a saint of a manager.......ok, let me re-phrase that. Do we go and get a manager who plays by all the known rules of transfer dealings, but has no clout in attracting players? You'd be moaning about that then.

Learn from our experience, then go again.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Listen we dont fully KNOW yet, what we overstepped the mark on. Rumours of videos etc, but we dont know.

So do we go and get a saint of a manager.......ok, let me re-phrase that. Do we go and get a manager who plays by all the known rules of transfer dealings, but has no clout in attracting players? You'd be moaning about that then.

Learn from our experience, then go again.
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How about getting people in who know How to deal in transfers etc. We know Klopp isn't in charge of deals.

Missing out on #1+2 targets in this transfer window will have a massive impact on next season. We've seen this before.
 
Stuart_C said:
How about getting people in who know How to deal in transfers etc. We know Klopp isn't in charge of deals.

Missing out on #1+2 targets in this transfer window will have a massive impact on next season. We've seen this before.
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Yep ok get someone in - Who?

Kenyon?

Hes not in charge of deals, but he does pick who he wants, someone elses job to go and get them.

Woodward does it for Man U, not Mourinho. Most top managers dont get involved in the negotiations now, when it comes to money, wages etc, possibly just in talking to the player.

I do take your point on the owners not backing the manager enough in the past, financially, but everyone wants silly money now, due to every club throughout Europe knowing how much money is in the prem, cos of the latest TV deal.
 
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Liverbirdie said:
Yep ok get someone in - Who?

Kenyon?

Hes not in charge of deals, but he does pick who he wants, someone elses job to go and get them.

Woodward does it for Man U, not Mourinho. Most top managers dont get involved in the negotiations now, when it comes to money, wages etc, possibly just in talking to the player.

I do take your point on the owners not backing the manager enough in the past, financially, but everyone wants silly money now, due to every club throughout Europe knowing how much money is in the prem, cos of the latest TV deal.
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Jose got given a few players, Torres included that he didn't ask for or want or suited our tactics and squad at the time, you're right, managers may get asked what they think but they don't have the overriding say, I don't think in the main!
 
Fish said:
Jose got given a few players, Torres included that he didn't ask for or want or suited our tactics and squad at the time, you're right, managers may get asked what they think but they don't have the overriding say, I don't think in the main!
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i think it depends on what they agreed when they signed. I know what you mean about Torres, you could add Shevchenko into the list of players He didn't want but was given. It happens at a lot of clubs
 
Fish said:
Jose got given a few players, Torres included that he didn't ask for or want or suited our tactics and squad at the time, you're right, managers may get asked what they think but they don't have the overriding say, I don't think in the main!
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I think Chelsea was an unusual case, because Roman wanted a more attractive playing style, which was strange as the first 2-3 years of mourinho seen a very attractive playing style.

The owners always have the final say, the manager makes a request, and normally the chief exec, or technical director will do the negotiations. Seems most English prem clubs do this nowadays.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I think Chelsea was an unusual case, because Roman wanted a more attractive playing style, which was strange as the first 2-3 years of mourinho seen a very attractive playing style.

The owners always have the final say, the manager makes a request, and normally the chief exec, or technical director will do the negotiations. Seems most English prem clubs do this nowadays.
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Most get a list of players and let the designated person make it happen. Sometimes the list starts with Kroos and you end up with fellaini.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Yep ok get someone in - Who?

Kenyon?

Hes not in charge of deals, but he does pick who he wants, someone elses job to go and get them.

Woodward does it for Man U, not Mourinho. Most top managers dont get involved in the negotiations now, when it comes to money, wages etc, possibly just in talking to the player.

I do take your point on the owners not backing the manager enough in the past, financially, but everyone wants silly money now, due to every club throughout Europe knowing how much money is in the prem, cos of the latest TV deal.
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I don't know who exactly but looking at the current set up there's no experience in there. So whilst FSG employ who they do, they have to take the criticism.

I know the involvement of managers only takes place once the clubs have spoken with the club or agents. It's safe to say Klopp has been told he can speak with the player as opposed to Klopp initiating the contact with VVD.
 
Great win for the England Under-20 lads. Good to see a few Everton lads performing well, Calvert-Lewin and Lookman in particular look very promising. The new Liverpool lad Solanke looks a serious talent too, won player of the tournament. Could be a superb signing for £3m!
 
Dan2501 said:
Great win for the England Under-20 lads. Good to see a few Everton lads performing well, Calvert-Lewin and Lookman in particular look very promising. The new Liverpool lad Solanke looks a serious talent too, won player of the tournament. Could be a superb signing for £3m!
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4 blues in the starting 11 and one on the bench. :thup:

Solanke's a Chelsea player until 01 July, they should get some credit for his development
 
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