And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 1740]

might have been a good thing (in more ways than one)

Gotcha

 

[Pin-seeker]

What's Wengers excuse?

Why turn this into Wenger?
Sawtooth was discussing Liverpool.

I hate it when people do that 😏

 

[User62651]

Are we allowed to discuss non-EPL in this thread?

Messi worth a mention, I'm not his or Barca's biggest fan and thought he was past his best but he wasn't half brilliant last night. That left foot for his 2 goals, right in the heart of enemy territory too, not sure why he had the shirt off with his name held up -was that to his own support or taunting the RM crowd? Ronaldo shaking his head at Messi's winner was quite telling I thought.....too good, even for Ronnie.

 

[GreiginFife]

Are we allowed to discuss non-EPL in this thread?

Messi worth a mention, I'm not his or Barca's biggest fan and thought he was past his best but he wasn't half brilliant last night. That left foot for his 2 goals, right in the heart of enemy territory too, not sure why he had the shirt off with his name held up -was that to his own support or taunting the RM crowd? Ronaldo shaking his head at Messi's winner was quite telling I thought.....too good, even for Ronnie.

It was his 500th goal for Barca.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Why turn this into Wenger?
Sawtooth was discussing Liverpool.

I hate it when people do that 😏

I couldn't resist.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Nice to see Everton U23's won the Premier League 2 title tonight.
Hopefully see a few more of those players moving through to the 1st team.

👏👏👏👏

 

[The Evertonian]

😉 ✌🏻

 

[The Evertonian]

:clap: :clap:

😉 ✌🏻

 

[The Evertonian]

A well deserved title win 💪🏼

 

[clubchamp98]

Lucas moves but it still doesn't help Lovren isn't aware of what's going on around him. Benteke ended up directly in front of Lovren.

Zonal or man marking it doesn't matter when the same players are switching off at set pieces time and time again.

Klopp doesnt have a clue How To defend?? That's a myth.

There was a clear plan on how they were going to defend set pieces, it wasn't Klopp's fault that those players switched off again.

It's going to be a massive summer for recruitment

He has had time to replace them so I think it IS Klopps fault he is the manager.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

He has had time to replace them so I think it IS Klopps fault he is the manager.

He's had 2 real transfer windows, he's brought in Matip and Klavan, Matip has had injuries and Klavan isn't good enough but that's what you get for £4m these days.

He's dealt with Sakho the best way he sees fit and i Believe had Sakho had been sold in the summer we would've signed another CB.

I'd question the owners intent before blaming Klopp this time.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He's had 2 real transfer windows, he's brought in Matip and Klavan, Matip has had injuries and Klavan isn't good enough but that's what you get for £4m these days.

He's dealt with Sakho the best way he sees fit and i Believe had Sakho had been sold in the summer we would've signed another CB.

I'd question the owners intent before blaming Klopp this time.

Don't think Klopp is the issue, I think it's time and expectancy levels.

You can see from some of your performances he has a clear vision of what he wants, but obviously needs the squad to match that vision, him or any manager can't do that overnight unless you inherit or pay whatever to get the right players.

Bigger worry will be if you don't get top 4 and he has a big clearout, will he be given time or money to get the right players in.

(Not getting CL Football may lesson your chances of enticing certain players)

Surely after last season though top 5/6 is still good progress and too early to be calling for his head.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Don't think Klopp is the issue, I think it's time and expectancy levels.

You can see from some of your performances he has a clear vision of what he wants, but obviously needs the squad to match that vision, him or any manager can't do that overnight unless you inherit or pay whatever to get the right players.

Bigger worry will be if you don't get top 4 and he has a big clearout, will he be given time or money to get the right players in.

(Not getting CL Football may lesson your chances of enticing certain players)

Surely after last season though top 5/6 is still good progress and too early to be calling for his head.

Are you sure your not a closet red??

The squad needs real quality adding to it, not just young potential.

People can't see the woods for the trees.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Are you sure your not a closet red??

The squad needs real quality adding to it, not just young potential.

People can't see the woods for the trees.

Just being honest mate :thup:
Same as Koeman for me, top 7 for this season is better than I hoped for, problem next season will be him improving on that, I can't see anyone above us collapsing and if he doesn't kick on we'll be back to the Martinez scenario of pressure on the manager if we don't improve season on season.

Without Everton or anyone else spending a small fortune it will be very dificult to break in to the top 6

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Nice to see Everton U23's won the Premier League 2 title tonight.
Hopefully see a few more of those players moving through to the 1st team.



Unlike other clubs who have junior teams winning trophies year after year we have a clear pathway through to the first team . Every chance some of those players will make it at Everton.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unlike other clubs who have junior teams winning trophies year after year we have a clear pathway through to the first team . Every chance some of those players will make it at Everton.

When you think that squad includes Davies, Holgate, Calvert-Lewin etc plus Browning and Galloway away on loan, signs are very good.
Pleased for David Unsworth as well, getting good managerial experience.

 

[clubchamp98]

He's had 2 real transfer windows, he's brought in Matip and Klavan, Matip has had injuries and Klavan isn't good enough but that's what you get for £4m these days.

He's dealt with Sakho the best way he sees fit and i Believe had Sakho had been sold in the summer we would've signed another CB.

I'd question the owners intent before blaming Klopp this time.

It's the same players making the same mistakes all season but apart from Lucas they are first team regulars.
Klopp put all his eggs in one basket last year in the Europa final when this went tits up we could not attract top players I.e. No CL .
The way we are going now I can see the same thing happening again.
Klopp is the Manager if the players don't do as he says for set pieces play some of the reserves who WILL.
Thats why I think he is responsible after all he is the Manager buck stops at the top.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It's the same players making the same mistakes all season but apart from Lucas they are first team regulars.
Klopp put all his eggs in one basket last year in the Europa final when this went tits up we could not attract top players I.e. No CL .
The way we are going now I can see the same thing happening again.
Klopp is the Manager if the players don't do as he says for set pieces play some of the reserves who WILL.
Thats why I think he is responsible after all he is the Manager buck stops at the top.

Playing reserves is really going to solve the problem isn't it

Klopp or any other manager cannot be responsible for players switching off/making the wrong decision on the pitch and he can't get rid of them til the summer anyway.

If those players are still there next year making same mistakes then yes Klopp takes the brunt but he also needs to be backed properly by the owners to replace these players.

The CL isn't the be all and end all. United and Chelsea have proven that.

 

[User62651]

Isn't it great Newcastle are back up, great club with a great tradition and a great addition to the EPL. Good manager too. Hopefully Cashley will give some more money to Rafa to get them top half of table and re-established in the top flight for the long term.

 

[The Evertonian]

Isn't it great Newcastle are back up, great club with a great tradition and a great addition to the EPL. Good manager too. Hopefully Cashley will give some more money to Rafa to get them top half of table and re-established in the top flight for the long term.

But aren't Newcastle a bit of a "yo-yo" club anyway....just par for the course really.