And, we're off.....2016/17

[anotherdouble]

Just been reading an article on some players that will be out of contract this summer available for a free

Any players you would like to see your club pick up any ?

Robben
Xabi Alonso
Pepe
Thiago Silva
De Rossi
Cazorla
Carrick
Fernandinho

Still think Silva , Robben and Alonso would be great signings for a couple of seasons

Cazorla needs a move to get off the treatment table and get fit. I see Wiltshire was injured today. If he wants to get back playing he had better stay where he is. If he goes back to the emirates they will start puttin out the 'Missing, have you seen' posters

 

[NWJocko]

Been one of the best midfielders in Europe over the last decade and more - he was amazing for us and was gutted when he left , irreplaceable

Haven't seen as much in regards Carrick but whenever he plays for UTD they seem to play better , sometimes i have felt he is a bit lightweight at times to control the middle of the park , always wondered what he would be like alongside Gerrard for England

Completely agree re Alonso, he is/has been a great player for years. Just rarely gets talked up, he was every bit as important to Spain as Iniesta and Xavi but those 2 took all of the limelight.

Carrick is one of the rare sitting midfielders that actually wants to play the ball forward, doesn't take the easy option of backwards/sideways passes all the time, very good player and weird he didn't get much of a look in for England. Again IMO.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Completely agree re Alonso, he is/has been a great player for years. Just rarely gets talked up, he was every bit as important to Spain as Iniesta and Xavi but those 2 took all of the limelight.

Carrick is one of the rare sitting midfielders that actually wants to play the ball forward, doesn't take the easy option of backwards/sideways passes all the time, very good player and weird he didn't get much of a look in for England. Again IMO.

I would love it if Xabi came back for one last season on a free - as well as still being more than good enough it would be the perfect person to learn from

I think Carrick didn't get as much of a chance purely because people trying to get Gerrard and Lampard into the midfield together but all they have to do was have Carrick sitting leaving Gerrard to roam and Lampard to break forward in a midfield three but none of Sven , Capello etc gave it a try

 

[Papas1982]

Just been reading an article on some players that will be out of contract this summer available for a free

Any players you would like to see your club pick up any ?

Robben
Xabi Alonso
Pepe
Thiago Silva
De Rossi
Cazorla
Carrick
Fernandinho

Still think Silva , Robben and Alonso would be great signings for a couple of seasons

Id take most of them at St Mary's tbh.

Alonso retiring isn't he?
i think alonso making his name outside La Liga is what harmed him at intl level. No doubt once at Madrid and Bayern he continued where he left off at Liverpool and got some recognition. But by then the midfield was established for Spain.

Think Pepe would do well at palace, wba or stoke with the managers there 😜

 

[HomerJSimpson]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-Adams-dad-dancing-Grenada-training-video/amp
Seriously what is he doing?? 😳

No idea but I heard him in his press conference on SSN saying he only has 8-9 players signed for next year and those are those he wants to build a side around and said there were too many foreign players, they were too young and lacking a leader and he'd lead if he had too. Very passionate and obviously making the right noises but I guess it'll be the results that count and not sure he'll be able to rescue their season

 

[Dan2501]

Alonso announced his retirement a few weeks back.

 

[Pin-seeker]

No idea but I heard him in his press conference on SSN saying he only has 8-9 players signed for next year and those are those he wants to build a side around and said there were too many foreign players, they were too young and lacking a leader and he'd lead if he had too. Very passionate and obviously making the right noises but I guess it'll be the results that count and not sure he'll be able to rescue their season

Yeah I saw the press conference,first thought was that he was back on the sauce.

I wouldn't be worrying too much about next seasons squad.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

:rofl:

I think you you will find that your boys have had quite a few more penalties than us this year.....and in fact more since the prem started

That's hardly a surprise considering your players don't go past the half way line :whoo: :rofl:

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not at £35m though. I suspect it's just the start of silly season where everybody gets linked to the top clubs.

Everton wouldn't know about this though :ears: :rofl:

We will quite happily let "top teams" spend over the top on obvious players and we will let Koeman continue to spend wisely on the less obvious ones. It's worked well this year😁. Oh yes, we will keep developing young players as well. We seem to be quite good at that. Maybe Jurgen could come round to our training ground and see how it is done 😁.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We will quite happily let "top teams" spend over the top on obvious players and we will let Koeman continue to spend wisely on the less obvious ones. It's worked well this year😁. Oh yes, we will keep developing young players as well. We seem to be quite good at that. Maybe Jurgen could come round to our training ground and see how it is done 😁.

Everton spent more than Liverpool in the summer didnt they ? Couple of big money signings arrived ?

And both teams seem to be having the same amount of young players coming through at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Everton spent more than Liverpool in the summer didnt they ? Couple of big money signings arrived ?

And both teams seem to be having the same amount of young players coming through at the moment.

Klopp spent £67million, Koeman £45million.

Name any of your young players who are regular starters in your first team.

 

[Junior]

That's hardly a surprise considering your players don't go past the half way line :whoo: :rofl:

Very good :rofl:

 

[Papas1982]

Klopp spent £67million, Koeman £45million.

Name any of your young players who are regular starters in your first team.

Barkley aside who I'd not consider a youngster anymore. I'm not sure you have one other starter who'd be there if not for injuries forcing your hand.

Can only go go by the premier league site as haven't seen much of you tbh. But it appears all the other youngsters who have minutes simply get em when players get injured and as soon as first team ers are back they are benched.

Could be wrong, but that's how it looks from. The outside. Was the same at saints tbh. Koeman seemed happy enough having youth on bench. But didn't trust em enough long term.

 

[clubchamp98]

Barkley aside who I'd not consider a youngster anymore. I'm not sure you have one other starter who'd be there if not for injuries forcing your hand.

Can only go go by the premier league site as haven't seen much of you tbh. But it appears all the other youngsters who have minutes simply get em when players get injured and as soon as first team ers are back they are benched.

Could be wrong, but that's how it looks from. The outside. Was the same at saints tbh. Koeman seemed happy enough having youth on bench. But didn't trust em enough long term.

Davies has been really good he's only 18 I think.

 

[Papas1982]

Davies has been really good he's only 18 I think.[/ I saw he'd played a bit recently.

Hooefully he stays in the team as I think cm is a position that players need time to get used to. Can't just okay now and again. Hooefully he's a starter next season too and not just replaced.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Barkley aside who I'd not consider a youngster anymore. I'm not sure you have one other starter who'd be there if not for injuries forcing your hand.

Can only go go by the premier league site as haven't seen much of you tbh. But it appears all the other youngsters who have minutes simply get em when players get injured and as soon as first team ers are back they are benched.

Could be wrong, but that's how it looks from. The outside. Was the same at saints tbh. Koeman seemed happy enough having youth on bench. But didn't trust em enough long term.

Premier League Appearances 16/17

Everton

Davies - 13
Holgate - 11
Calvert-Lewin - 3
Pennington - 2


Red Noses

Alexander-Arnold - 2
Woodburn - 1

Above is 1st 11 only, not including named on bench

Whether injury forced or not, my point is our Academy players this season far out way theirs.
He also bought Lookman who's also a teenager.
I seen you post about his youth record with Soton and it's not good, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment as it's his first season, but hopefully he'll continue to use them.

 

[Papas1982]

Premier League Appearances 16/17

Everton

Davies - 13
Holgate - 11
Calvert-Lewin - 3
Pennington - 2


Red Noses

Alexander-Arnold - 2
Woodburn - 1

Above is 1st 11 only, not including named on bench

Whether injury forced or not, my point is our Academy players this season far out way theirs.
He also bought Lookman who's also a teenager.
I seen you post about his youth record with Soton and it's not good, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment as it's his first season, but hopefully he'll continue to use them.

I wasnt meaning to suggest yours was worse than theirs, i've commented in the past that most top clubs don't give youth a chance unless enforced and don't recall Liverpool really bloody anyone who's become regular for a few years now.

I can recall both Holgate and Davies playing, Davies seems to be making a fair crack at earning a spot, Holgate seems more of a bum on a seat when needed and is dropped as soon as possible, but defence is more critical and players tend to improve with age and experience, but recall him being heralded even last season as a good prospect.

The others you mention look to me from a purely google led opinion as players simply helping a short squad as have mainly small minute sub appearances.

In regards Koeman and he use of youth, its kinda catch 22, you want him to blood em, but at the same time if you have the billions that was claimed early season than he's likely to buy players pushing them further down the pecking order?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

We will quite happily let "top teams" spend over the top on obvious players and we will let Koeman continue to spend wisely on the less obvious ones. It's worked well this year😁. Oh yes, we will keep developing young players as well. We seem to be quite good at that. Maybe Jurgen could come round to our training ground and see how it is done 😁.

In fairness to klopp he wants to give the youth a chance, he's promoted quite a few players into the senior squad who are training at melwood and has given them game time this season but they've got to be ready to take the chance.

If their not Upto it then you could quite easily ruin them.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Klopp spent £67million, Koeman £45million.

Name any of your young players who are regular starters in your first team.

Phil obviously meant nett spend, that's all that matters in football business

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I wasnt meaning to suggest yours was worse than theirs, i've commented in the past that most top clubs don't give youth a chance unless enforced and don't recall Liverpool really bloody anyone who's become regular for a few years now.

I can recall both Holgate and Davies playing, Davies seems to be making a fair crack at earning a spot, Holgate seems more of a bum on a seat when needed and is dropped as soon as possible, but defence is more critical and players tend to improve with age and experience, but recall him being heralded even last season as a good prospect.

The others you mention look to me from a purely google led opinion as players simply helping a short squad as have mainly small minute sub appearances.

In regards Koeman and he use of youth, its kinda catch 22, you want him to blood em, but at the same time if you have the billions that was claimed early season than he's likely to buy players pushing them further down the pecking order?

We'll have to wait and see how he strengthen's the squad, will depend if we lose Lukaku and Barkley in the summer or at christmas, if he keeps a balance of youth and experience then that'll be ok, last season we had Browning play about 15 games to cover Baines when he was injured, Koeman has sent him out on loan to get experience, Browning looked a real good prospect, just hope he keeps him.