Tashyboy
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pokerjoke
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Seriously you are getting more deluded as the day goes on.
Chelsea a bigger job then Utd now that’s funny.
What would be your reasoning behind that ridiculous statement
anotherdouble
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I think we got the far worse player in the swap deal, that said neither has really benefited from the swap, of late hes been excellent though, finally found a role that suits him with the way Emery sets up so we'll miss him short term, long term I dont think hes a world beater. Sadly it means we'll see even more of Iwobi and his lack of end product (wont see us keep Ramsey either)
And you think you have problems with lack of end product. We have Morata. At least Iwobi can run
I didn’t pick another, you originally said that UTD quite simply are the biggest club in the world. I asked you to give reasons why. You didn’t have any.
You had one that made them the biggest company.
robinthehood
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Surely that's real Madrid? What is it now ? 13 champions leagues
I would agree. If I’m naming the biggest club in world football. Madrid get the honour based on any criteria
pokerjoke
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Show me where I had us as the biggest company.
I look forward to this
clubchamp98
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Have a look in the trophy room .
I think there is a difference..
United and Liverpool are by far the jobs with the greatest pressure in English football. The history of both clubs, the sustained periods of success followed by long fallow years, the global nature of their fan bases, the expectation levels and much more are enormous in comparison to the next club. You can argue until the cows come home on which has more.
Managers careers are defined by success or failure at these clubs - indeed fail at either of these and you quite simply don't recover. Succeed and you go down as a legend. It really is that black and white.
No other club comes close. At City and Chelsea you know you're there for a short time and will probably win something, before moving onto a role of a similar stature in Europe. Rinse and repeat a few times and you've had a good career - failing one of these and you'll likely get a shot elsewhere. They don't have the history, the fan base or anywhere near as much media attention to get close to the pressure levels at United or Liverpool.
I'd argue the next job with the most pressure in English football is probably Newcastle. That place is crazy for a manager not performing.
Managers careers are defined by success or failure at these clubs - indeed fail at either of these and you quite simply don't recover. Succeed and you go down as a legend. It really is that black and white.
No other club comes close. At City and Chelsea you know you're there for a short time and will probably win something, before moving onto a role of a similar stature in Europe. Rinse and repeat a few times and you've had a good career - failing one of these and you'll likely get a shot elsewhere. They don't have the history, the fan base or anywhere near as much media attention to get close to the pressure levels at United or Liverpool.
I'd argue the next job with the most pressure in English football is probably Newcastle. That place is crazy for a manager not performing.
The only list that has you as second behind Dallas Cowboys is one done on a valuation. The only reason they are valued as such is due to their share prices. Businesses are measured and rated by their share price. Not sports clubs.
Like I said, that’s not a reason any sports fan would attribute stature of club unless they had no valid sports reasons.
davemc1
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City have 44pts from 18 games. Hardly handing anything to anyone
pokerjoke
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I
think he means from now on
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What has past performance got to do with current expectations?
Agreed. Would you rather be the biggest, the wealthiest, the one with a history of winning or the team winning trophies now? History is nice but the here and now is what counts. Ask an AC Milan fan.
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At Dortmund Mhyktarian was outstanding and was gutted when Man Utd got him but couldn’t see it working as he isn’t a Mourinho player - going to Arsenal I thought would release him to become the player his ability suggests he can be.I think we got the far worse player in the swap deal, that said neither has really benefited from the swap, of late hes been excellent though, finally found a role that suits him with the way Emery sets up so we'll miss him short term, long term I dont think hes a world beater. Sadly it means we'll see even more of Iwobi and his lack of end product (wont see us keep Ramsey either
If he could get a consistent run in the team going then he could be a really key player but suspect he will end up like veron - superb away from the Prem
fundy
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Anmy
its the hope that kills you, gets in to so many promising positions then nothing, nada, zilch
its the hope that kills you, gets in to so many promising positions then nothing, nada, zilch
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Yeah - Rochdale.
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As a Chelsea fan I hate all the other big clubs in English football.
But something I will concede - Man Utd are the biggest club in world football; and therefore the managerial job at Old Trafford is the biggest. Utd's global appeal is greater than Real's; and Utd comes out on top of most surveys of most valuable club, richest club etc etc.
So all the kids on here can now all pipe down, calm down, and go to bed waiting for Santa to arrive!!! 😂😂😂
But something I will concede - Man Utd are the biggest club in world football; and therefore the managerial job at Old Trafford is the biggest. Utd's global appeal is greater than Real's; and Utd comes out on top of most surveys of most valuable club, richest club etc etc.
So all the kids on here can now all pipe down, calm down, and go to bed waiting for Santa to arrive!!! 😂😂😂
Liverbirdie
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Oo I love a good discussion....or is it an argument?
Firstly, for anyone to say that Man U are categorically the biggest club in the world and treat it as a fact is either seriously biased or deluded. Ok, an argument can be made alongside certain points, which are more off-field than on, but to me that is barely arguable also at least based on 4-5 points.
For years, all that mattered was the following:-
Club history
Number of trophies
Storied players
Ground size
Attendances
Again not necessarily in order, but all in the mix.
Nowadays, the following has been added:-
Turnover
Number of "supporters" worldwide
Shirt sales
Twitter followers
Possibly a few more.
I do have certain problems with Real Madrid's History - Franco's "influence", Franco himself, the city council bailing them out with regards to paying over the top to buy their training ground, Barca and Real being able to negotiate their own TV deals, at the expense of the other clubs. I'm sure there is much more and that's even before how "sympathetically" they are refereed at home and abroad. In a daft way, I think their first 2-3 European cups where when English teams werent in it for a part, and possibly also before it became a priority for all clubs.
However, in terms of trophies won (13 European cups), profile, stadium size, average home league gate, worldwide fan base (different sites come up with different results) and world class players over the years, there is only one winner for me.
Man U / Barca might be a little bit of a closer argument, but take into account the similar standing to Real - profile, stadium size...........Barca could also be in second place.
Business wise / turnover may bring different results, but to me football is a sport and is what I would judge it on.
Overall, how many Man U players have Real and Barca signed when they were at their height? Have Man U ever taken a player from Barca or Real when they were at their height? Even over the last 20 years when Man U have mainly been top dog, have many world class players chosen them above Real or Barca?
Real have had Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Di-stefano, Fat Ronaldo, Sanchez, Puskas, Butragueno, Kaka.........the list is endless.
Barca - Figo, Cruyff, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldinho,Kluivert, Maradona, Ronaldo, Suarez, Ibrahimovic........again what a list.
Man U have also had some great players, but to be fair quite a few come through the ranks such as Beckham, Best, Charlton as well as big signings, but not signings on the same scale as the above.
The pressure argument, is another argument.... or is it discussion?
Merrx Xmas, everybody.
Firstly, for anyone to say that Man U are categorically the biggest club in the world and treat it as a fact is either seriously biased or deluded. Ok, an argument can be made alongside certain points, which are more off-field than on, but to me that is barely arguable also at least based on 4-5 points.
For years, all that mattered was the following:-
Club history
Number of trophies
Storied players
Ground size
Attendances
Again not necessarily in order, but all in the mix.
Nowadays, the following has been added:-
Turnover
Number of "supporters" worldwide
Shirt sales
Twitter followers
Possibly a few more.
I do have certain problems with Real Madrid's History - Franco's "influence", Franco himself, the city council bailing them out with regards to paying over the top to buy their training ground, Barca and Real being able to negotiate their own TV deals, at the expense of the other clubs. I'm sure there is much more and that's even before how "sympathetically" they are refereed at home and abroad. In a daft way, I think their first 2-3 European cups where when English teams werent in it for a part, and possibly also before it became a priority for all clubs.
However, in terms of trophies won (13 European cups), profile, stadium size, average home league gate, worldwide fan base (different sites come up with different results) and world class players over the years, there is only one winner for me.
Man U / Barca might be a little bit of a closer argument, but take into account the similar standing to Real - profile, stadium size...........Barca could also be in second place.
Business wise / turnover may bring different results, but to me football is a sport and is what I would judge it on.
Overall, how many Man U players have Real and Barca signed when they were at their height? Have Man U ever taken a player from Barca or Real when they were at their height? Even over the last 20 years when Man U have mainly been top dog, have many world class players chosen them above Real or Barca?
Real have had Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Di-stefano, Fat Ronaldo, Sanchez, Puskas, Butragueno, Kaka.........the list is endless.
Barca - Figo, Cruyff, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldinho,Kluivert, Maradona, Ronaldo, Suarez, Ibrahimovic........again what a list.
Man U have also had some great players, but to be fair quite a few come through the ranks such as Beckham, Best, Charlton as well as big signings, but not signings on the same scale as the above.
The pressure argument, is another argument.... or is it discussion?
Merrx Xmas, everybody.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
It happens on the odd occasion whereby one team can have 20 odd shots and score nothing and the other team shins in their only shot on goal and wins.
Overall, better players, possession, style of play, number of shots etc plays more of a part over a season than just luck.
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