And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Kellfire]

Hmmm let me guess which team you guys both support

Utd may have been one of the biggest managerial jobs in the world a few years ago but it's not even the biggest in England anymore.

So what if I support Man Utd? It’s the biggest job in England by a country mile.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Who in your opinion is?

City. Bigger investment, higher expectations, their stock is rising whereas Utd are going backwards.

 

[Kellfire]

City. Bigger investment, higher expectations, their stock is rising whereas Utd are going backwards.

Our moving backwards is exactly why we’re a bigger task.

The oil money at City simply can’t be ignored. They flaunt all the rules to pile money in at will and if they have a problem, they just buy someone to fill it. That’s much easier than the situation we’re in. You’ve basically highlighted why City are actually an easier team to manage. Plus no one expects City to win the CL yet. We still have a huge legacy in it even though we’ve been poor for five years.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just being Man Utd brings a pressure that other clubs couldn’t begin to feel. Add into that having the weight of Fergie’s legacy which has seen off LVG and Jose who were seen as two of the most likely to cope with it. Add into that a squad that needs a massive overhaul, especially at the back. Add into that the scrutiny of the media that no other team comes close to matching. And then, just for fun, remember we’re the most hated club in England and opposing fans will jump all over any and all failures.

Really ? Sorry but lots of clubs come with pressure - clubs that need to stay in the Prem , clubs desperate for the title , clubs desperate for the CL - Mourinho was given time with no pressure and lots of money. A manager goes into any big team and tbe pressue is massive and surely it’s hard to judge which is more pressure.

A few accuse others of talking nonsense- think maybe some mirrors are needed

 

[PJ87]

I’d like to see Pochettino stay at spurs. He is doing well there. At United and Madrid you don’t get time. If results don’t come the fans turn quicker.. look at Moyes was not given enough time. If he had been given a few seasons he could have done a lot better

Pochettino is doing well at spurs and I could see them challenging for titles on a regular basis once they move into the new stadium

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Plus no one expects City to win the CL yet.

I think you'll find a lot of people do.

 

[Kellfire]

Really ? Sorry but lots of clubs come with pressure - clubs that need to stay in the Prem , clubs desperate for the title , clubs desperate for the CL - Mourinho was given time with no pressure and lots of money. A manager goes into any big team and tbe pressue is massive and surely it’s hard to judge which is more pressure.

A few accuse others of talking nonsense- think maybe some mirrors are needed

Did I say other clubs don’t come with pressures? Show me where I said that. This is a sliding scale, I’m not saying Man Utd has pressure and no one else has any. You’re obviously wading in for your usual extreme, hyperbole ridden argument but take a step back if you’re going that way.

 

[pokerjoke]

City. Bigger investment, higher expectations, their stock is rising whereas Utd are going backwards.[/
There’s more pressure managing someone like Newcastle than City.

Having money and lots of it makes it so much easier and takes pressure off.

 

[Kellfire]

I think you'll find a lot of people do.

Not on the European mainland where they’re more level headed than our media. They don’t have anything like the aura or gravitas which is why teams match them and beat them in Europe more often than at home, even if they’re a relatively small European side. People don’t fear them as much as they do here.

 

[Orikoru]

Everton Spurs was mental yesterday! That was the kind of result you normally see on Boxing Day! Was expecting a tough game, and I also expected Walcott and Sigurdsson to score against us so wishing I had a bet on that. But Pickford and their defending were woeful. And after the first half hour say, we seemed to just bury every chance. Everton's marking was lacklustre, you don't expect to score through rebounds as easily as we did, our players just weren't picked up. I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly but I think they said the last time we scored 6 in an away game was against Hull - also managed by Marco Silva. He has a touch of the Bobby Martinez's about him, focus on playing nice football but can't organise a defence to save his life.

I'm getting a bit worried about City handing the title to Liverpool, but on the other hand, us being only 2 points behind City now doesn't look too bad at all.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did I say other clubs don’t come with pressures? Show me where I said that. This is a sliding scale, I’m not saying Man Utd has pressure and no one else has any. You’re obviously wading in for your usual extreme, hyperbole ridden argument but take a step back if you’re going that way.

You’re missing the - yes it is a sliding scale but who is to stay the pressure at Man Utd is more than at a club that needs to stay in tbe Prem or say at City where the demand is to win the CL which is massive or Liverpool’s demand for the Title etc - your sliding scale is biased towards the club you support.

 

[pokerjoke]

Everton Spurs was mental yesterday! That was the kind of result you normally see on Boxing Day! Was expecting a tough game, and I also expected Walcott and Sigurdsson to score against us so wishing I had a bet on that. But Pickford and their defending were woeful. And after the first half hour say, we seemed to just bury every chance. Everton's marking was lacklustre, you don't expect to score through rebounds as easily as we did, our players just weren't picked up. I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly but I think they said the last time we scored 6 in an away game was against Hull - also managed by Marco Silva. He has a touch of the Bobby Martinez's about him, focus on playing nice football but can't organise a defence to save his life.

I'm getting a bit worried about City handing the title to Liverpool, but on the other hand, us being only 2 points behind City now doesn't look too bad at all.

Yes agree with you on yesterday’s game.
I don’t know if Everton have injuries in defence but Keane and Zouma were awful,Coleman imo went forward to often leaving massive gaps behind him.
In commentary Gary Neville after 10 minutes was saying they couldn’t defend like they were trying too.

 

[Kellfire]

You’re missing the - yes it is a sliding scale but who is to stay the pressure at Man Utd is more than at a club that needs to stay in tbe Prem or say at City where the demand is to win the CL which is massive or Liverpool’s demand for the Title etc - your sliding scale is biased towards the club you support.

Ah accusing someone of bias because they dare comment on their own club. A winning argument, for sure.

Of course, you’re completely unbiased. I mean let’s look at your reply to prove that. Pressure on Liverpool to win a league? Yes that has a lot of basis in... Erm, well nothing. General consensus amongst football is that City will win the league because Liverpool aren’t expected to be able to hold on. You haven’t won the league in nearly thirty years. That’s how little pressure is on and that lack of pressure should help Liverpool.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ah accusing someone of bias because they dare comment on their own club. A winning argument, for sure.

Of course, you’re completely unbiased. I mean let’s look at your reply to prove that. Pressure on Liverpool to win a league? Yes that has a lot of basis in... Erm, well nothing. General consensus amongst football is that City will win the league because Liverpool aren’t expected to be able to hold on. You haven’t won the league in nearly thirty years. That’s how little pressure is on and that lack of pressure should help Liverpool.

If you think there is little pressure on Liverpool to win the league then you are utterly clueless , if you were old enough to remember the pressue on Utd to win the league in the 70’s and 80’s was huge - spending loads and going through managers - Taggert nearly sacked for it at one stage. Same with pressure on City to win the CL

And general consensus? Do you have the results of that to show people or is it just a wild assumption based on nothing.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Ah accusing someone of bias because they dare comment on their own club. A winning argument, for sure.

Of course, you’re completely unbiased. I mean let’s look at your reply to prove that. Pressure on Liverpool to win a league? Yes that has a lot of basis in... Erm, well nothing. General consensus amongst football is that City will win the league because Liverpool aren’t expected to be able to hold on. You haven’t won the league in nearly thirty years. That’s how little pressure is on and that lack of pressure should help Liverpool.

Lets be honest though. They should have won it a few seasons ago but that side isn't a patch on the current side and I think there is perhaps more pressure on them to win it this year after such a positive start to the year. If they were in third or fourth and four or five points off the lead I'd agree that the pressure and expectation would be on City but as they are four points clear ther will inevitable be extra expectation on Klopp and the team to go an and deliver. Whether that manifests itself in the second half of the season remains to be seen as does whether City can close the gap and go onto the title

 

[Kellfire]

If you think there is little pressure on Liverpool to win the league then you are utterly clueless , if you were old enough to remember the pressue on Utd to win the league in the 70’s and 80’s was huge - spending loads and going through managers - Taggert nearly sacked for it at one stage. Same with pressure on City to win the CL

And general consensus? Do you have the results of that to show people or is it just a wild assumption based on nothing.

I assume you have no exposure to any social media or footballing reporting? That’s the only way you’d not be party to the consensus in football about who’ll win the PL this season.

If Liverpool don’t win the league, few will be surprised. That shows where the pressure is heaviest ie. on City.

Remember, I’m not saying there’s no pressure. But it’s less. Again, sliding scale. Drop the hyperbole.

 

[pokerjoke]

If you think there is little pressure on Liverpool to win the league then you are utterly clueless , if you were old enough to remember the pressue on Utd to win the league in the 70’s and 80’s was huge - spending loads and going through managers - Taggert nearly sacked for it at one stage. Same with pressure on City to win the CL

And general consensus? Do you have the results of that to show people or is it just a wild assumption based on nothing.

Phil you really need to start showing some class and respect.

You calling all our players names and Sir Alex Ferguson red nose or Taggert is just the lowest.

I can’t recall any of the Man Utd supporters on here calling the Great Bill Shankley or the great Bob Paisley or King Kenny names.

 

[Kellfire]

Phil you really need to start showing some class and respect.

You calling all our players names and Sir Alex Ferguson red nose or Taggert is just the lowest.

I can’t recall any of the Man Utd supporters on here calling the Great Bill Shankley or the great Bob Paisley or King Kenny names.

Don’t be silly. He’d never show bias. He hates bias.

 

[Papas1982]

Let’s get it right,Utd are the biggest club in the world.

You could also say there’s more pressure on whoever comes in if your scenario comes true,getting us back in C/L and challenging for the title again.

How many players leave Real Madrid for any other club whilst At the top of their careers? Who has the greater number of followers? The most successful in Europe?

Man Utd aren’t as big as Madrid, the PL machine may want us to believe it, but it’s simply marketing.

Of course as per your form on here you won’t accept that, but I can’t think of one thing that makes Man Utd bigger than Madrid.

 

[Tashyboy]

For a manager who has won nothing? Ha. You’re somewhat exaggerating the strength of your position.

Kelly this is how you started one of your recent posts. Maureen won something so why sack him? You and other Man Utd fans are bigging up the biggest club in the world. How do you define " biggest" if it by the amount of plastic fans you have around the world and in London then you have got me. If it is by the amount of trophies you have then you are not even the biggest club in Manchester. Real Madrids trophy haul of the last five years would take some beating. You are somewhat exaggerating the strength of your position. It was one of the biggest clubs in the world, but at the moment and for the last couple of years it has been the butt of many rivals fans jokes.