And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[clubchamp98]

Might seem odd me supporting this coz watching City, they know how to professionally stop and break up play. It might not be brutal or thuggish but it is professional fouling. What does make me chuckle, is City do like to play flowing football, and they have been stopped by the same means I have mentioned yet City fans go ballistic when it happens against us. Can't have it both ways.

City are good at it but you don’t see them scythe players from behind.
They are very clever obstruction / blocking etc dosnt look good but it’s effective , and they share it out to stop bookings etc.
So Pep that lover of flowing football must be doing this in training?
The refs need to be a little cleverer and see this.imo
Maybe a warning to the captain to stop it or the next one walks!

All teams are guilty of this but it needs to be stamped out.

 

[Hobbit]

When I first watched it when the game was on it looked clean as whistle got the ball and then the slide and follow throw on a wet surface meant he carried on through to the player - a perfectly timed tackle and the “ref” that night agreed with it.

Watching it in real time pace it’s feels the same - the leg bounces a little after getting the ball which raises it and he goes into the ankle.

It’s the sort of tackle CB’s used to love , Mertens would have been clean through ,VVD was clearly going for the ball and nothing else and seemed to be in control - slowing it down makes it look reckless and I think a yellow card in the CL is what you expect from that tackle - I still think in the Prem a lot of refs wouldn’t have given a foul

Now if he missed the ball and went straight over it into the ankle - red all day long

If a CB can’t make a sliding tackle to get the ball clean then it’s going to be hard for them

The Valencia one was jumping in the air two feet , nowhere near the ball straight on the guys shin - you could hear the screams on the telly - amazed he got away with just a yellow

There's been plenty of tackles where the players has got the ball but gone through it onto the player and then been sent off. The call has usually been "reckless or excessive." Having his foot that far up the guy's shin... I can understand it being a red.

I'd have rarely been on the pitch if I was playing now.

 

[Hobbit]

City are good at it but you don’t see them scythe players from behind.
They are very clever obstruction / blocking etc dosnt look good but it’s effective , and they share it out to stop bookings etc.
So Pep that lover of flowing football must be doing this in training?
The refs need to be a little cleverer and see this.imo
Maybe a warning to the captain to stop it or the next one walks!

All teams are guilty of this but it needs to be stamped out.

Using a second player to block a defender as the attacker runs past his team mate has been going on for donkey's years. Can't see anything wrong with that. But the sharing the fouls around is becoming so obvious. Yep, a word with the captain, "the next one will walk."

 

[clubchamp98]

Stills never make a tackle look pretty

This is a video of it

And a link to the Valencia one

I can see the point it dosnt look good on video !
But the striker is running at speed so VVD can’t know where his leg will be .
He would be out of a job if he didn’t tackle a striker.
Klopp would want to know why he let him go with no challenge.

But I have sort of changed my mind and can see why the ref booked him.
He quite clearly gets the ball but his momentum gets the player

 

[Hobbit]

I can see the point it dosnt look good on video !
But the striker is running at speed so VVD can’t know where his leg will be .
He would be out of a job if he didn’t tackle a striker.
Klopp would want to know why he let him go with no challenge.

But I have sort of changed my mind and can see why the ref booked him.
He quite clearly gets the ball but his momentum gets the player

Another view, and one just as relevant, is a defender will sometimes ensure he gets the player after the ball just in case the attacker nips the ball away and might be through on goal. It can look clumsy but it could also be intentioned.... not that I've ever done that, honest.

 

[clubchamp98]

Another view, and one just as relevant, is a defender will sometimes ensure he gets the player after the ball just in case the attacker nips the ball away and might be through on goal. It can look clumsy but it could also be intentioned.... not that I've ever done that, honest.

I’m probably with you I wouldn’t last 90mins playing today.
We watched Tommy Smith, Hunter, Bremmner.
Imagine them playing today?
You can stop a player going past you without hurting him.
Obstruction has mostly gone from the game, full back shepherding the ball out of play is a classic.

Another thing that annoys me is “it’s a forwards challenge” makes it sound like forwards are not footballers!

 

[Pin-seeker]

One thing is for sure,if that tackle was on Salah it would be a different story.

 

[Hobbit]

One thing is for sure,if that tackle was on Salah it would be a different story.

Yeah!! Imagine VVD tackling Salah. Now wouldn't that be just daft

 

[Pin-seeker]

Yeah!! Imagine VVD tackling Salah. Now wouldn't that be just daft

😂😂

 

[clubchamp98]

One thing is for sure,if that tackle was on Salah it would be a different story.

Obviously!
Fans are biased everyone knows that!

 

[Pin-seeker]

Obviously!
Fans are biased everyone knows that!

They really don’t 😳😂

 

[Kellfire]

I’m surprised Valencia would do that after the horror break he had earlier in his career but it’s no worse that the VVD tackle imo. VVD went in with much more force whereas Valencia draws his foot back but that actually ended up in his studs raking the opponents shin. The pictures of the injury are disgusting.

 

[clubchamp98]

Posted this before but.
My mate at uni developed a software program to swap the shirts on the players in a video.

He could change a Liverpool shirt to anything he wanted.
Part of his research was to get the reaction of fans.
There was an obvious sending off foul by a Liverpool player .
All fans said yes it’s a red.
But when he changed the shirts to their team they started looking for things that would only merit a yellow.
This happened every time he changed the shirt. As soon as it wasn’t their team it was a straight red.

I thought all fans knew this if it’s your team it’s a yellow, anyone else it’s a red!!!

 

[Tashyboy]

They really don’t 😳😂

😂

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Stills never make a tackle look pretty

This is a video of it

And a link to the Valencia one

I thought it was a great tackle, the ref waved play on then only blew for a foul from the reaction of Mertens after he'd rolled over 37.5 times.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

A "section" of chelsea fans singing anti semitic songs about spurs tonight, brain dead scum.

i bet they voted leave aswell.

 

[Liverbirdie]

This reminds me of the argument about headers and elbows. Remember when old school strikers used to say you can't jump without swinging your elbows and so the odd smashed eye socket and cheekbone was all part and parcel of the game. The game decided no more, red cards came out and now you know an elbow in the face is an automatic red card, no discussion. This type of tackle will be seen in the same light in a few years time. Players adapt, they have to if they want to keep getting picked.

Elbows arent necessarily red cards - you should know that having seen Fellaini.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Elbows arent necessarily red cards - you should know that having seen Fellaini.

Ah, he doesn't get them because when he jumps for the ball he wears the Harry Potter 'Cloak of Invisibility'. It is the only explanation I can think of when he sinks another cheek bone.

 

[Liverbirdie]

BTW I havent seen the Valencia tackle, but I reckon it was a red.

 

[Kellfire]

BTW I havent seen the Valencia tackle, but I reckon it was a red.

You should see the pics of the guy’s leg. Ugh.