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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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patricks148 said:
Funny how a few of the right wingers on here make the point that they want "free of Brussles", "make their own laws" and not be ruled by an "unelected body they didn't vote" for, yet it appears its alright for Scotland so Under Westminster and don't get why many in Scotland want Independance.
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Because they cannot see further than their noses and need to be told what to think.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But hey - if I was one of the 30% of 55-65 yr olds who have assets of >£1m - why should I worry about a further austerity programme following us leaving the EU without a deal. Just as long as the nasty socialists don't come looking for some of my state pension or dare tax my lovely money...

Yes of course when we leave the EU and regain our sovereignty, things will be difficult for a while - and that may mean an extended austerity programme - and of course I'd be sorry about that - but you know - only what the country can afford.

(did I really mean that...? nah...just musing on reading about the 30% as I have been considering the value of my son's (27) assets...maybe £200 if he got £100 for selling all his clothes and £100 selling his collections of DVDs, CDs and Kerrang...and that's it)
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You do realise most of the people you refer to in that comment, are based near London and are property owners.

If you remove their home, how many millionaires(after deducting debt levels) do you actually know ? Would be interested to hear ?

Asset rich, cash poor, a lot are as well.
 
drdel said:
You have a devolved government, which has controlled your health services etc for many years and you managed to run up a larger debt that you would have been permitted were Scotland an EU member. The UK government let Scotland's citizens vote on independence so you need to blame those of your fellow citizens who denied you that option. I fail to see how any other UK voter could be swayed by your opinion as we do not have a vote in Scotland and in the referendum voted as one Union. So whether you think those of us in the rUK are at fault for being 'left' or 'right' is irrelevant.
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many voted to remain in the UK as it was made quite clear that a vote for Indpendance would see scotland out of the EU... yet here we are.. about to be out.

True we do have DVl but its doesn't cover everything... westminster still has a big part in how scotland is run, anyway my point was some love to have a dig at Scotland wanting its Independance yet site the same reasons for Brexit
 
Mudball said:
How does BoJo justify his lack of empathy... this might just be the turning point. Not looking at the photo is saying it’s not my problem and then putting the phone in his pocket... bloody disgraceful. I m sure the Tories spin room is on steroids now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204018593656180736
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its not just Boris who lacks empathy, judging by many of the attidudes of Torys as a whole.
 
patricks148 said:
many voted to remain in the UK as it was made quite clear that a vote for Indpendance would see scotland out of the EU... yet here we are.. about to be out.

True we do have DVl but its doesn't cover everything... westminster still has a big part in how scotland is run, anyway my point was some love to have a dig at Scotland wanting its Independance yet site the same reasons for Brexit
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OK, lets turn your thinking around. Scotland does the vast amount of its trade with thr RUK at zero tarrifs in the UK single market, if Scotland left the UK and had to trade with the UK as a foreign country with no trade agreement and border checks how exactly would it be better off and what currency would it use to trade with?
 
SocketRocket said:
OK, lets turn your thinking around. Scotland does the vast amount of its trade with thr RUK at zero tarrifs in the UK single market, if Scotland left the UK and had to trade with the UK as a foreign country with no trade agreement and border checks how exactly would it be better off and what currency would it use to trade with?
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Surely it should be Scotland's choice? Why even get into a debate with a Scot about it?

Let them have their referendum but with one single proviso. If the decision is to stay in a Union, don't come knocking at the door for the next 10 years.
 
SocketRocket said:
OK, lets turn your thinking around. Scotland does the vast amount of its trade with thr RUK at zero tarrifs in the UK single market, if Scotland left the UK and had to trade with the UK as a foreign country with no trade agreement and border checks how exactly would it be better off and what currency would it use to trade with?
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i suspect we would have several years of trade talks to sort that out.

its no different to the situation the UK is in with its largest tarding partner but you say the UK is going to Thrive once it leaves the EU why shouldn't scotland?
 
Hobbit said:
Surely it should be Scotland's choice? Why even get into a debate with a Scot about it?

Let them have their referendum but with one single proviso. If the decision is to stay in a Union, don't come knocking at the door for the next 10 years.
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Totally agree with this, let them have the indyref2, if they get a vote for independence leave to sort out negotiations, currency, defence, trade et al. No different to what the UK has had to do with Brexit essentially.

If remain wins then caveat it that must be at least a decade or more to try again.
 
Hobbit said:
Surely it should be Scotland's choice? Why even get into a debate with a Scot about it?

Let them have their referendum but with one single proviso. If the decision is to stay in a Union, don't come knocking at the door for the next 10 years.
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I thought it was a once in a generation decision last time, isn't that 30 years.
 
patricks148 said:
i suspect we would have several years of trade talks to sort that out.

its no different to the situation the UK is in with its largest tarding partner but you say the UK is going to Thrive once it leaves the EU why shouldn't scotland?
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Scotland could keep sterling... think there's a few Caribbean countries that use the dollar. There would be a problem though. The EU won't allow an EU member state to have a currency where a 3rd country, in this case rUK, to set its monetary policy.

Its fine detail which, no doubt, Scotland and the EU would sort out - expect in this case the EU would insist on Scotland having the €€.
 
patricks148 said:
i suspect we would have several years of trade talks to sort that out.

its no different to the situation the UK is in with its largest tarding partner but you say the UK is going to Thrive once it leaves the EU why shouldn't scotland?
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The UK is a big ecconomy and that has some clout in trading negotiations, Scotland on its own is a near basket case ecconomy who would hope the EU would take them on and bail out their defecit. Somehow I cant see that happening and especially with the EU losing UK funds. If Scots dont like UK austerity then it would be nothing compared to what the EU would need to insist on for membership.
 
DRW said:
You do realise most of the people you refer to in that comment, are based near London and are property owners.

If you remove their home, how many millionaires(after deducting debt levels) do you actually know ? Would be interested to hear ?

Asset rich, cash poor, a lot are as well.
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Indeed I do realise that - but that does not take from the fact that there are many in our country who have basically zilch in respect of assets or savings - yet the austerity programme of the last 9-10 Tory Years hit these people - as will any austerity / belt-tightening programme required as a result of short term economic difficulties post-Brexit.
 
Hobbit said:
Scotland could keep sterling... think there's a few Caribbean countries that use the dollar. There would be a problem though. The EU won't allow an EU member state to have a currency where a 3rd country, in this case rUK, to set its monetary policy.

Its fine detail which, no doubt, Scotland and the EU would sort out - expect in this case the EU would insist on Scotland having the €€.
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personally i don't have a problem with the Euro one priviso you can keep the queen;)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Indeed I do realise that - but that does not take from the fact that there are many in our country who have basically zilch in respect of assets or savings - yet the austerity programme of the last 9-10 Tory Years hit these people - as will any austerity / belt-tightening programme required as a result of short term economic difficulties post-Brexit.
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What they have experienced is peanuts compared to
the austerity that would be required after Corbyns spending and borrowing frenzy along with the reduced tax income the country would experience after the great wealth exodus.
 
SocketRocket said:
What they have experienced is peanuts compared to
the austerity that would be required after Corbyns spending and borrowing frenzy along with the reduced tax income the country would experience after the great wealth exodus.
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There you go - more Project Fear. Nobody knows the future and economists and forecasters are usually wrong or inaccurate in their predictions.
 
SocketRocket said:
The UK is a big ecconomy and that has some clout in trading negotiations, Scotland on its own is a near basket case ecconomy who would hope the EU would take them on and bail out their defecit. Somehow I cant see that happening and especially with the EU losing UK funds. If Scots dont like UK austerity then it would be nothing compared to what the EU would need to insist on for membership.
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i think we would do OK, esp if we could tempt some of the Car Manufacturers who saying they will leave the UK if there is a no deal Brexit, Nissan, Toyota and Honda Factories in the central belt could solve some of these companies problems, they might not be the only ones temped to move.
 
patricks148 said:
i think we would do OK, esp if we could tempt some of the Car Manufacturers who saying they will leave the UK if there is a no deal Brexit, Nissan, Toyota and Honda Factories in the central belt could solve some of these companies problems, they might not be the only ones temped to move.
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You may not have noticed but Japan have a free trade agreement with the EU now.
 
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