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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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harpo_72 said:
I like that your very obedient and you repeat opinions and claim to be your own. It’s a great skill to have.
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so you are calling me a liar - very grown, pathetic and very incorrect. I have no problem quoting other people but that was me off the hoof and not quoting copying someone else's work - it is not rocket science just basic economics and business sense. I spend my life reviewing companies and governments plans and objectives in a similar way before working out whether to lend to them so i think i have some insight into how these plans would be taken by international investors. I won't say any more about what i think of you or an infraction will be on the way - so do me a favour and don't call me a liar again
 
PNWokingham said:
without going over old ground the key difference is the trust that will be broken under Labour's policies - capital flight will follow by the rich and companies.
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Why will they ? Because they will need to pay a bit more tax compared to the pathetic amount they currently do ?

Where will these companies and rich people go too ?

I do not know what will happen under brext under torries but they can implement business frienly policies that could attract investment rather than alienate it
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Do you mean more tax breaks for the rich ? Does that help the working family ?

it would attract investment because they now they would get tax breaks and more money and profit in their pockets whilst the working family pay the higher prices
 
PNWokingham said:
so you are calling me a liar - very grown, pathetic and very incorrect. I have no problem quoting other people but that was me off the hoof and not quoting copying someone else's work - it is not rocket science just basic economics and business sense. I spend my life reviewing companies and governments plans and objectives in a similar way before working out whether to lend to them so i think i have some insight into how these plans would be taken by international investors. I won't say any more about what i think of you or an infraction will be on the way - so do me a favour and don't call me a liar again
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I wondered how long it'd be before he'd put his foot firmly in his gob Paul.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why will they ? Because they will need to pay a bit more tax compared to the pathetic amount they currently do ?

Where will these companies and rich people go too ?
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It's not just the rich that will be hit by Labour's policies and definitely won't be just the top 5% of earners as they are claiming. Not every business is paying a pathetic amount of tax. Every small business in the country will be hit by the plans to raise corporation tax. It's not just Amazon, Google, Facebook etc, it's every one man band (plumbers, builders, electricians etc) and small company. The rich can afford expensive accountants to find ways around it but someone whose company makes £50k a year will be facing an extra £3k a year in tax. They then have a choice whether to swallow that themselves or put up prices for their customers to cover it.
 
PNWokingham said:
so you are calling me a liar - very grown, pathetic and very incorrect. I have no problem quoting other people but that was me off the hoof and not quoting copying someone else's work - it is not rocket science just basic economics and business sense. I spend my life reviewing companies and governments plans and objectives in a similar way before working out whether to lend to them so i think i have some insight into how these plans would be taken by international investors. I won't say any more about what i think of you or an infraction will be on the way - so do me a favour and don't call me a liar again
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Nope I don’t think I called you a liar ... you need to work on your understanding skills
 
ColchesterFC said:
It's not just the rich that will be hit by Labour's policies and definitely won't be just the top 5% of earners as they are claiming. Not every business is paying a pathetic amount of tax. Every small business in the country will be hit by the plans to raise corporation tax. It's not just Amazon, Google, Facebook etc, it's every one man band (plumbers, builders, electricians etc) and small company. The rich can afford expensive accountants to find ways around it but someone whose company makes £50k a year will be facing an extra £3k a year in tax. They then have a choice whether to swallow that themselves or put up prices for their customers to cover it.
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Or maybe they may make staff redundant !
 
ColchesterFC said:
It's not just the rich that will be hit by Labour's policies and definitely won't be just the top 5% of earners as they are claiming. Not every business is paying a pathetic amount of tax. Every small business in the country will be hit by the plans to raise corporation tax. It's not just Amazon, Google, Facebook etc, it's every one man band (plumbers, builders, electricians etc) and small company. The rich can afford expensive accountants to find ways around it but someone whose company makes £50k a year will be facing an extra £3k a year in tax. They then have a choice whether to swallow that themselves or put up prices for their customers to cover it.
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So a company that makes £50k profit is asked to pay £3k - so they make £47k profit instead whilst public improve - that seems a good trade off to me ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why will they ? Because they will need to pay a bit more tax compared to the pathetic amount they currently do ?

Where will these companies and rich people go too ?



Do you mean more tax breaks for the rich ? Does that help the working family ?

it would attract investment because they now they would get tax breaks and more money and profit in their pockets whilst the working family pay the higher prices
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I have said enough Phil but once more - companies will locate anywhere that suits them - we are a global economy - corporate tax now at 19% is relatively attractive, less so at 26% - but it is the stealing of 10% of large companies that is the real marxist red flag - and giving big worker representation on company boards that could make hmper management's decision making. This is akin to theft, extra beauracracy, interference etc. You may disagree but that is what i believe. And as for the very rich - they will easily be able to domicile elsewhere - as per what John Cauldwell said - he has paid £300 in tax over 10 years and has clearly stated that he will move away if Labour get in and siad many others in his position wil follow. Like them or hate them these wealthy people pay considerable taxes, direct and indirect and thus help support may jobs - even non doms - i would rather them here and paying 60k per annum and significant indirect taxation and employment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ialist-john-caudwell-took-john-mcdonnell-bbc/

As for tory policies - tax breaks, free ports etc could help drive inward investment - but labour changes do the opposite. The labour policies are anti business, Conservatives want to attract business.
 
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Corporation tax was always my biggest hate. It was money that I could use in the business to expand and possibly employ more staff and raise wages for everyone.
 
PNWokingham said:
I have said enough Phil but once more - companies will locate anywhere that suits them - we are a global economy - corporate tax now at 19% is relatively attractive, less so at 26% - but it is the stealing of 10% of large companies that is the real marxist red flag - and gaving big worker representation on company boards that could make hmper management's decision making. This is akin to theft, extra beauracracy, interference etc. You may disagree but that is what i believe. And as for the very rich - they will easily be able to domicile elsewhere - as per what John Cauldwell said - he has paid £300 in tax over 10 years and has clearly stated that he will move away if Labour get in and siad many others in his position wil follow. Like them or hate them these wealthy people pay considerable taxes, direct and indirect and thus help support may jobs - even non doms - i would rather them here and paying 60k per annum and significant indirect taxation and employment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ialist-john-caudwell-took-john-mcdonnell-bbc/

As for tory policies - tax breaks, free ports etc could help drive inward investment - but labour changes do the opposite. The labour policies are anti business, Conservatives want to attract business.
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Again a lot of that was mentioned in regards Brexit - big companies leaving because of the potential of import/export tariffs etc etc

Theft ? Really ?

And do we all not want to see more funding for the NHS or Emergency services etc etc - areas that are suffering due to cuts from the Tories. My town no longer have a police station , crime is on the rise due to the lack of police presence in the town - and all down to cuts in funding

So this extra tax improves these services. A big improvement for the majority

And Labour “anti business” ? Really ? Or are they just trying to find a fairer society for us all
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Again a lot of that was mentioned in regards Brexit - big companies leaving because of the potential of import/export tariffs etc etc

Theft ? Really ?

And do we all not want to see more funding for the NHS or Emergency services etc etc - areas that are suffering due to cuts from the Tories. My town no longer have a police station , crime is on the rise due to the lack of police presence in the town - and all down to cuts in funding

So this extra tax improves these services. A big improvement for the majority

And Labour “anti business” ? Really ? Or are they just trying to find a fairer society for us all
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Phil - i am not talking about the NHS and wholehartedly advocate a big increase in funding, which all parties have in their policies. I am saying that labour policies will wreck the economy and thus their fairy-tale aspirations will come badly unstuck and we will all suffer. I am not talking again about cuts since the 2010 crash which had to happen to stabilise the economy - i already said i think they could have turned the austerity tap off sooner. And yes - theft - forcing companies to hand over 10% of their equity - you will not find a smilar policy in other democracies. That will also diute everyone's pension values etc etc. I have no idea how they implement it or make, for example, Comcast, give up 10% of Sky? A very attractive prospect for any potential new multi-nationals looking to invest in the UK?
 
PNWokingham said:
Phil - i am not talking about the NHS and wholehartedly advocate a big increase in funding, which all parties have in their policies. I am saying that labour policies will wreck the economy and thus their fairy-tale aspirations will come badly unstuck and we will all suffer. I am not talking again about cuts since the 2010 crash which had to happen to stabilise the economy - i already said i think they could have turned the austerity tap off sooner. And yes - theft - forcing companies to hand over 10% of their equity - you will not find a smilar policy in other democracies. That will also diute everyone's pension values etc etc. I have no idea how they implement it or make, for example, Comcast, give up 10% of Sky? A very attractive prospect for any potential new multi-nationals looking to invest in the UK?
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But aren’t all these extra taxes aimed to increase spending into areas like the NHS and Emergency services - two big areas that have suffered under the past ten years ?

For all the talk of austerity these companies have managed to gain massive profits but tax bill for a good number has stayed very small

Under the Tories i suspect a good number of businesses have flourished, profits on the up but there are millions more using food banks , on zero hour contracts , renting etc if companies actually looked to keep prices low for the many then they wouldn’t potentially need a tax increase
 
harpo_72 said:
Nope I don’t think I called you a liar ... you need to work on your understanding skills
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...economic-agenda-would-lead-calamity-many-not/

Maybe i should sue Charles Dunstone for the same plagiarism you accused me of earlier - as it looks very similar to my comments. Again, a logical business analysis of the ruinous policies proposed by Labour - coming from a successful entrepreuner who has voted Labour and Tory in the past
 
chrisd said:
So can we deduce that cutting police stations reduce anti social behaviour and shoplifting?
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You can because they are too busy doing the more hardened crimes now ?

Tories cut the budget to the police and that’s what happens when the police station goes

Right ..?
 
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