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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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patricks148 said:
doesn't mean they wouldn't want to build cars in the EU though does it...
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Although no one knows either way its worth looking at what Japanese companies are increasingly doing. Once they have a free trade agreement, a number of companies have moved their manufacturing back to Japan.
 
Honda, is suffering with poor sales. They are minimising their outlays and using the new deals to protect their home assets. The Japanese look after their own and having experience in this area, they will sacrifice their western colleagues.
Nissan is a different argument and they really are dependent on the Brexit outcome. If it isn’t favourable to them they will look at their European sites.
In the end the car manufacturers who are dependent on just in time and need the lines running for efficiency will build in Europe where supply issues are minimised. Bespoke producers knocking out less than 10k units can live with line delays.
So yes some manufacturing will stay but the high volume stuff could go.
 
The one astonishing bit of news coming out of the crazy fake attack on Hancock in tonight's news is that the Health Secretary has an advisor.:love:

Amazing how many 'experienced' journalists and jobsworths fell for the Tory spiel before actually checking the facts.
 
Hobbit said:
Although no one knows either way its worth looking at what Japanese companies are increasingly doing. Once they have a free trade agreement, a number of companies have moved their manufacturing back to Japan.
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We've discussed international 'trade' many times. The car industry is, like most manufacturing' rationalising worldwide. China is restricting their companies to buy Chinese products (see Government computer procurement). Robotic assembly enables a few highly automated plants to satisfy world demand.

If Labour are successful and implement its trade and public ownership plans and their intended company tax regime look forward to world brand names vanishing from the UK to more responsive/cheaper/stable countries
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The one astonishing bit of news coming out of the crazy fake attack on Hancock in tonight's news is that the Health Secretary has an advisor.:love:

Amazing how many 'experienced' journalists and jobsworths fell for the Tory spiel before actually checking the facts.
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In my role as an independent fact checker I can confirm it did happen and he punched him to the ground. #factcheck
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
There you go - more Project Fear. Nobody knows the future and economists and forecasters are usually wrong or inaccurate in their predictions.
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i would bet my house that the whole pack of cards will unwind if they get in and implement their anti-business, anti-wealth plans - you cannot model it as there asr so many moving parts, but from the outset you will get, in no particular order:
  • A slide in the value of the pound and a surge in imported inflation
  • Court cases galore from investors
  • A spike in interest rates and the knock-on increase in debt repayments for government, companies and individuals
  • A dramatic increase in government borrowing until investors stock lending, which will not take long
  • A surge in the budget deficit
  • Multiple Credit rating downgrades
  • Headline tax rises, followed by general tax rises after a year or so
  • Foreign companies scaling back operations or pulling out
  • UK companies red-domiciling abroad - Unilever would vote a change to the hague in a heartbeat next time as business owners in general would have a fundamental dislike and objection to
  • Massively alienate pensioners living off invested pensions by changing dividend tax rules
  • Individuals who invest in property would, in general, scale back and sell up
  • A year of decent growth spurred by the massive spending followed by a long-lasting recession
  • All the toxic factors together for corporations and consumers would be catastophic and the UK (with or without Scotland) would be utterly screwed
  • We would be forced to call in the IMF and World Bank and an aussterity agenda of the like not seen before would be implemented
 
drdel said:
We've discussed international 'trade' many times. The car industry is, like most manufacturing' rationalising worldwide. China is restricting their companies to buy Chinese products (see Government computer procurement). Robotic assembly enables a few highly automated plants to satisfy world demand.

If Labour are successful and implement its trade and public ownership plans and their intended company tax regime look forward to world brand names vanishing from the UK to more responsive/cheaper/stable countries
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Same could be said for Brexit and the affect of labour is pure speculation... what was the phrase ??
Oh yeah project fear.
 
PNWokingham said:
i would bet my house that the whole pack of cards will unwind if they get in and implement their anti-business, anti-wealth plans - you cannot model it as there asr so many moving parts, but from the outset you will get, in no particular order:
  • A slide in the value of the pound and a surge in imported inflation
  • Court cases galore from investors
  • A spike in interest rates and the knock-on increase in debt repayments for government, companies and individuals
  • A dramatic increase in government borrowing until investors stock lending, which will not take long
  • A surge in the budget deficit
  • Multiple Credit rating downgrades
  • Headline tax rises, followed by general tax rises after a year or so
  • Foreign companies scaling back operations or pulling out
  • UK companies red-domiciling abroad - Unilever would vote a change to the hague in a heartbeat next time as business owners in general would have a fundamental dislike and objection to
  • Massively alienate pensioners living off invested pensions by changing dividend tax rules
  • Individuals who invest in property would, in general, scale back and sell up
  • A year of decent growth spurred by the massive spending followed by a long-lasting recession
  • All the toxic factors together for corporations and consumers would be catastophic and the UK (with or without Scotland) would be utterly screwed
  • We would be forced to call in the IMF and World Bank and an aussterity agenda of the like not seen before would be implemented
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Oh gosh where did you copy and paste that from? Some rag of repute?
 
PNWokingham said:
i would bet my house that the whole pack of cards will unwind if they get in and implement their anti-business, anti-wealth plans - you cannot model it as there asr so many moving parts, but from the outset you will get, in no particular order:
  • A slide in the value of the pound and a surge in imported inflation
  • Court cases galore from investors
  • A spike in interest rates and the knock-on increase in debt repayments for government, companies and individuals
  • A dramatic increase in government borrowing until investors stock lending, which will not take long
  • A surge in the budget deficit
  • Multiple Credit rating downgrades
  • Headline tax rises, followed by general tax rises after a year or so
  • Foreign companies scaling back operations or pulling out
  • UK companies red-domiciling abroad - Unilever would vote a change to the hague in a heartbeat next time as business owners in general would have a fundamental dislike and objection to
  • Massively alienate pensioners living off invested pensions by changing dividend tax rules
  • Individuals who invest in property would, in general, scale back and sell up
  • A year of decent growth spurred by the massive spending followed by a long-lasting recession
  • All the toxic factors together for corporations and consumers would be catastophic and the UK (with or without Scotland) would be utterly screwed
  • We would be forced to call in the IMF and World Bank and an aussterity agenda of the like not seen before would be implemented
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What, Labour promoting a boom and bust economy? Sounds like they've brought Gordon Brown back...
 
The problem i see with Brexit v Labour's manifesto is with Brexit we still don't know what the deal is on offer (or agreed in principle/ oven ready as Boris says) and how we come out of it financially because what we have been told by the leading party is debunked immediately in the news by all the others, we also don't truly know how badly it will affect us if its a no deal as we can't start picking up the pieces of that until it happens despite what the project fear were told about is.

Then theres Labour's manifesto which they said is fully costed but in fact isnt as we see new things added like WASPIs and reduced rail fares etc. But what we can see is how much its going to cost the country in borrowing and taxation, that despite claims its all coming from top 5% we know in fact isnt.

Its no wonder the nation in general is confused in how they should vote overall especially those that perhaps don't know all the ins and outs as they should because either way it could cost the average man/woman a lot more than they already pay out..

So effectively the choice for many comes down to what they think will cost then the least and is it better the devil you know ?‍♂️

Certainly a torrid time for UK politics
 
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PNWokingham said:
i would bet my house that the whole pack of cards will unwind if they get in and implement their anti-business, anti-wealth plans - you cannot model it as there asr so many moving parts, but from the outset you will get, in no particular order:
  • A slide in the value of the pound and a surge in imported inflation
  • Court cases galore from investors
  • A spike in interest rates and the knock-on increase in debt repayments for government, companies and individuals
  • A dramatic increase in government borrowing until investors stock lending, which will not take long
  • A surge in the budget deficit
  • Multiple Credit rating downgrades
  • Headline tax rises, followed by general tax rises after a year or so
  • Foreign companies scaling back operations or pulling out
  • UK companies red-domiciling abroad - Unilever would vote a change to the hague in a heartbeat next time as business owners in general would have a fundamental dislike and objection to
  • Massively alienate pensioners living off invested pensions by changing dividend tax rules
  • Individuals who invest in property would, in general, scale back and sell up
  • A year of decent growth spurred by the massive spending followed by a long-lasting recession
  • All the toxic factors together for corporations and consumers would be catastophic and the UK (with or without Scotland) would be utterly screwed
  • We would be forced to call in the IMF and World Bank and an aussterity agenda of the like not seen before would be implemented
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Is that what happens after Brexit ?
 
PNWokingham said:
only if Labour get in Phil and has nothing to do with brexit
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But everything you have stated might happen if Labour get in has in some form been stated about post Brexit but always gets dismissed as “Project Fear” ?

Is there no chance then that if Labour did get in there would actually be a significant positive outcome

also what would be the result of another 5 years of Tory rule when we consider the past ten ? Is there a horrific list for that

I did see a good statement the other day

Labours manifesto is full of promises etc , Tories manifesto is full of promises of what they will do - if they have done such a good job in the past decade why don’t they in their election campaign use the last ten years work they have done ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But everything you have stated might happen if Labour get in has in some form been stated about post Brexit but always gets dismissed as “Project Fear” ?

Is there no chance then that if Labour did get in there would actually be a significant positive outcome

also what would be the result of another 5 years of Tory rule when we consider the past ten ? Is there a horrific list for that

I did see a good statement the other day

Labours manifesto is full of promises etc , Tories manifesto is full of promises of what they will do - if they have done such a good job in the past decade why don’t they in their election campaign use the last ten years work they have done ?
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without going over old ground the key difference is the trust that will be broken under Labour's policies - capital flight will follow by the rich and companies. I do not know what will happen under brext under torries but they can implement business frienly policies that could attract investment rather than alienate it
 
PNWokingham said:
you really add nothing here - that is my view and my opinion not a copy from someone. You would get a similar message from many analysts so crawl back under your rock
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I like that your very obedient and you repeat opinions and claim to be your own. It’s a great skill to have.
 
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