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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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ColchesterFC said:
So what's your excuse when it comes to Boris then and struggling to type his name without an insult? I'm struggling to believe that he was your first crush when you were in primary six at school, but maybe I'm mistaken about that. :)
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Oh give over, that is desperate
LBJ is an actual fact, Johnson is a well known serial liar [as well as a deeply flawed individual].
Wee Jimmy was an actor [sorry for spoiler to those who thought he really was a boy] playing a part about 30 years ago. :love:
 
ColchesterFC said:
I've no idea why he was meeting them but I wasn't only referring to Ireland. He's met with Hamas and Hezbollah and called them his friends, although he did try to later clarify that he hadn't used the term friends in the traditional sense and that he meant something else. The man, much like Boris, is a proven liar, so it's very difficult to trust anything he says, let alone when it comes to meeting what have been classified as terrorist organisations.
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When it’s comes to Northern Ireland I believe Corbyns motives were all about peace - he didn’t believe our troops should be there but for me he didn’t have any mandate to carry out peace talks and it could have easily be seen as provocation

As for meeting with Hamas etc - is he the only politician to do so ? Don’t they meet with groups to open up channels of communication to try and gain peaceful solutions ? The internet is flooded with pictures of various leaders meeting various terrorist leaders - it seems Corbyn gets slaughtered for it but others ?


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....e-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

What doesn’t help his is the amount of social media own goals the guy makes with what he says but then his opponent is just as bad with things he has said or done during the past and recently

Is it any worse than we as a country selling arms to Saudi to help their “war” against Yemen , it wasn’t that long ago we along with the USA were right behind Iraq and then Afghan

Corbyn for me is no worse or indeed better than Johnson - both liars , both willing to sell their gran for political gain imo , both media idiots , both a sad indication of the current state of our political position.

I would rather vote for a squirrel than those pair
 
PNWokingham said:
there is a massive differnce between the tax issue and the agenda of Corbyn to nationalsie and steal private wealth
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So when the Tories sold off social housing and public utilities owned by the WHOLE nation at a huge discount, was that not the biggest theft of all??
Socialise debt, privatise profit. It's the Tory way...
 
pendodave said:
No No No. that would be terrible.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland have the highest rate of tax vs GDP in the world and they're terrible, terrible, places to live.
Why haven't all the rich people left them? Why haven't their economies been shunned as pariah states?
Beats me, maybe it's because they're the most civilised countries in the world to live?
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Its an interesting one, and would love to see a nearer to fairer/better flat rate taxation system in place in the UK, rather than the split basis we have across income tax/VAT/NIC etc, but no one party is really chasing that rainbow.

Finland only has 7 billionaires, Denmark 10 billionaires, Norway only has 15 billionaires, Sweden 33 billionaires in the whole country, so a total of 65 billionaires in those four countries. As a bit of a comparison London has about 60, New York has about 100 billionaires, Singapore about 45 and so on.

But your 'why haven't all the rich people left them', what is more interesting is that they do not have many super rich people living there based on the above. So basically the super rich do not live there....why you have to answer for yourself but taxation maybe one reason or maybe they are taxed out of the super rich level or maybe it the weather ;) [personally do not know the answer to that question, but do not agree with your statement]

It is the super rich or massive corporations that are the most mobile, to get out of paying taxes based on being resident. Something to always bear in mind IMHO.

Would love the Whole World to be a lot more joined up in thinking about those kind of people /organisation and tax them the same the world over, so moving is not the answer to reducing taxes but again no one is chasing that rainbow.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Oh give over, that is desperate
LBJ is an actual fact, Johnson is a well known serial liar [as well as a deeply flawed individual].
Wee Jimmy was an actor [sorry for spoiler to those who thought he really was a boy] playing a part about 30 years ago. :love:
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As is suggesting that Nicola Sturgeon looks like Jimmy Krankie.
 
Kellfire said:
What an odd thing to say - who holds an opinion they think isn’t right? You wouldn’t hold that opinion if not. What an incredibly strange stance.
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Only a bigot would suggest they were always right. More enlightened people would have an opinion that was open to question and reconsideration.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Oh give over, that is desperate
LBJ is an actual fact, Johnson is a well known serial liar [as well as a deeply flawed individual].
Wee Jimmy was an actor [sorry for spoiler to those who thought he really was a boy] playing a part about 30 years ago. :love:
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As it happens there is maybe one thing common between the Scottish First Minister and Janette Tough
 
But hey - if I was one of the 30% of 55-65 yr olds who have assets of >£1m - why should I worry about a further austerity programme following us leaving the EU without a deal. Just as long as the nasty socialists don't come looking for some of my state pension or dare tax my lovely money...

Yes of course when we leave the EU and regain our sovereignty, things will be difficult for a while - and that may mean an extended austerity programme - and of course I'd be sorry about that - but you know - only what the country can afford.

(did I really mean that...? nah...just musing on reading about the 30% as I have been considering the value of my son's (27) assets...maybe £200 if he got £100 for selling all his clothes and £100 selling his collections of DVDs, CDs and Kerrang...and that's it)
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
If that is their best shot it only shows the desperate quality they use for debate.
Personally I find it hilarious that they cannot find anything deeper than a P6 insult.
What's next ..Ma dads bigger then yours.:ROFLMAO:
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And yet you are happy to indulge in exactly those same behaviours. To use your own phrase, does that not show the "desperate quality" of debate that you are prepared to use? Another phrase that you might want to become familiar with is people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
"This is a new government with a new approach" - so says Johnson whenever the opportunity arises and today after being confronted with a photo of 4yr old lying sleeping on the floor of a hospital as no bed available. Oh he's sorry. Of course he's 'sorry' - he has to be 'sorry' - but in slopey-shouldering any responsibility he displays for all to see the extent of his self-obsession - and cynicism.

I am frankly sick to the teeth of such disingenuous statements coming from him and his obsequious buddies. For many years he and his ministers have been right slap bang in the middle of creating the situation the NHS finds itself in today. He, and the rest of his disgraceful shower of a cabinet, cannot be allowed to pretend that it's nothing to do with them. If they are not all individually 100% responsible, they are all 100% complicit, as it is their party in government that has let this happen.

Obsequious: obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.
 
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ColchesterFC said:
And yet you are happy to indulge in exactly those same behaviours. To use your own phrase, does that not show the "desperate quality" of debate that you are prepared to use? Another phrase that you might want to become familiar with is people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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i don't recall anyone calling Boris a derogatory name making fun of his appearence?
 
ColchesterFC said:
And yet you are happy to indulge in exactly those same behaviours. To use your own phrase, does that not show the "desperate quality" of debate that you are prepared to use? Another phrase that you might want to become familiar with is people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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OK, I am mortally offended by a few folk on here calling the Scottish first minister Wee Krankie.
Hope that helps heal your wounds.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Kellfire said:
I’m not shocked that you picked my comment in particular to highlight this yet despite what I’ve said being based purely on someone’s political views in a political thread. Yet I was called a dick and that was fine and passed without comment. Play the ball, not the man.
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I think you have a very valid point.
 
I suspect John Cauldwell will be one of many to hit the exit gates from the UK should labour win - and he is one of the good guys in relation to paying tax. It is impossible to know the extent of the individual and corporate wealth that will move away from Labour - but we cannot be naive and not expect it to put a dent in Labour's tax raising plans. The very richest will find ways round it, as they are easily mobile, to the detriment of everyone else

https://www.cityam.com/phones-4u-bi...ection/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
Funny how a few of the right wingers on here make the point that they want "free of Brussles", "make their own laws" and not be ruled by an "unelected body they didn't vote" for, yet it appears its alright for Scotland so Under Westminster and don't get why many in Scotland want Independance.
 
patricks148 said:
Funny how a few of the right wingers on here make the point that they want "free of Brussles", "make their own laws" and not be ruled by an "unelected body they didn't vote" for, yet it appears its alright for Scotland so Under Westminster and don't get why many in Scotland want Independance.
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You have a devolved government, which has controlled your health services etc for many years and you managed to run up a larger debt that you would have been permitted were Scotland an EU member. The UK government let Scotland's citizens vote on independence so you need to blame those of your fellow citizens who denied you that option. I fail to see how any other UK voter could be swayed by your opinion as we do not have a vote in Scotland and in the referendum voted as one Union. So whether you think those of us in the rUK are at fault for being 'left' or 'right' is irrelevant.
 
PNWokingham said:
i may have to repeat again. Labour took over a booming economy in 1997 - the tories took over a timebong. You are critising them for needing to borrow, which is what you do in the hard times - but you also knock them for implementing cuts - you have one or the other!
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they had such a booming economy the electorate couldn't get rid of them quick enough with a Labour Landslide... oh and don't forget Black Wednesday and the lowest tax collection against GDP ever i seem to remember.
 
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