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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Hobbit said:
Crikey! If we're going to mention every instance we'd vote for no one. I am very aware of the Islamaphobia and sexism which, along with the antisemitism, shouldn't happen. For me, if we're talking about who should get the vote, its about scale too. 673 instances of antisemitism reported by Labour. Labour's own figures, not the right wing press you fear.

I absolutely accept the other point of view, and this is where it gets a little confusing. You don't seem to accept the brickbats thrown at Labour, and that's what I was trying to highlight. Maybe we've both misunderstood each other a little.

I highlighted Corbyn, McDonnell and Momentum because they are too extreme for me. And if you want a little balance in that respect, I'm no fan of the 1922 Committee either.

As for my own voting record in the last 43 years of voting; 70% Labour, 20% LibDems, 10% Tory. I'm no Tory fanboy but I'd vote for them ahead of the current Labour offering - I genuinely fear, and I mean fear, Momentum controlling the Labour Party. Where next, concentration camps by another name?
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I do accept the brick bats but I am not a fan of one way traffic.
May be I was misunderstood when I said it is worrying, I was acknowledging it. However the point was if we mention this poor behaviour, the others are not so clean. So if people choose not to vote for Corbyn on this basis would they not be hypocrites to vote for Boris ??

My voting history has always been labour. So by not voting for Corbyn I have made a decision based on the facts that are important to me.

With respect to the great unknown, well for me Brexit is, and we were told a finite decision as in we would leave and we would not be revisiting that choice for a long period of time.
An election is maximum 5 years. The amount of damage depends on the numbers in the house that agree .. if it doesn’t get Philibusted (?). Hence this gamble is pretty limited and not on the scale of Brexit, from my viewpoint. Look at how successful the government has been in conducting its manifesto in the last 4 years as a case in point.
 
chrisd said:
Maybe he spent it with some loyal, dedicated war heroes

from the IRA 😣
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Don’t know why he wasn’t there, spent the day in Doncaster visiting flood victims and Emergency Crews.
Only 170 miles away so it’ll be interesting to see if anything comes out in the next few days.
 
pauldj42 said:
No problem, I’ll take that as a No and accept you lied.(y)
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Lied? What are you on and is it necessary to provoke this kind of annimosity on the forum. I see a pattern here where anyone posts something you disagree with you start getting personal, its rather juvenile and ugly. You said you were not posting here anymore as you were fed up with the idiots on the thread yet you continue to provoke arguements. Give it up man.
 
My apologies for somehow managing to delete my highlighting the relevant chapters in the book I thought may give a new perspective as to what Brexit and Independence for Scotland could bring about.Not only to the U.K. but also help to accelerate(with help from Putin and the rebirth of ISIS and AlQeaida-through not only a flood of fresh 'refugees from Africa and the organisation of many of the so-called political refugees already spread throughout Europe) but also help to bring about a nationalistic re-alignment of the European Union leading to essentially its virtual end with economies in various countries collapsing resulting in massive civil unrest!
As for Mrs.Krankies 'new,bold Euro Friendly Scotland' then read how it becomes the people/arms/drug/fake money smuggling capital of the unregulated G.B.
O.K.,it takes some some lateral thinking but ask yourself 'IS THIS REALLY UNFEASIBLE?'
And on that depressing note I'll retire to my bunker along with the meds for my head and maybe pop out nearer Xmas and sussif a new limited playing membership is still available at the club(which is going to be all that's allowed according to the docs)
Must take the pills...just noted that I've forgotten to say that's it's 2 chapters near the end.(Sorry this has turned into a book)
Jimbo
 
SocketRocket said:
Yes it is. He wants to negotiate a new deal, put it to a referendum and then vote against his own deal what ever it is. What Twazzocks would contemplate that, you couldn't make it up.
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SocketRocket said:
Lied? What are you on and is it necessary to provoke this kind of annimosity on the forum. I see a pattern here where anyone posts something you disagree with you start getting personal, its rather juvenile and ugly. You said you were not posting here anymore as you were fed up with the idiots on the thread yet you continue to provoke arguements. Give it up man.
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Re the bit in bold. I guess you did. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Maybe you could change your name to SocketJohnson or BorisRocket:p

Edit: Can I just remind you, I politely asked you to provide the evidence in my first response, it wasn’t me who got personal or started name calling.👍🏻
I’ll leave it there.
 
pauldj42 said:
Re the bit in bold. I guess you did. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Maybe you could change your name to SocketJohnson or BorisRocket:p

Edit: Can I just remind you, I politely asked you to provide the evidence in my first response, it wasn’t me who got personal or started name calling.👍🏻
I’ll leave it there.
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You are acting like a child and seem unable to stop it. I wont continue to reply as its a waste of time and seems to feed your spitefull immature agenda. Please post the last word now as I will not play your silly game anymore.
 
SocketRocket said:
You are acting like a child and seem unable to stop it. I wont continue to reply as its a waste of time and seems to feed your spitefull immature agenda. Please post the last word now as I will not play your silly game anymore.
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No, I’m asking you to man up, but as you continue to get personal and are on the back foot, I’ll accept taking the last word as the end of it.:rolleyes:
 
pauldj42 said:
Re the bit in bold. I guess you did. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Maybe you could change your name to SocketJohnson or BorisRocket:p

Edit: Can I just remind you, I politely asked you to provide the evidence in my first response, it wasn’t me who got personal or started name calling.👍🏻
I’ll leave it there.
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To be fair Paul what Socket has posted is mostly accurate, the only bit that he's added is the he'll vote against it but, and it's a big BUT, that is generally accepted as the plan he has hashed. Funny given that JC is a clear leaver but its also obvious that the EU aren't going to give him a decent leave deal knowing that JC's referendum is "accept the deal" or "remain"
 
chrisd said:
To be fair Paul what Socket has posted is mostly accurate, the only bit that he's added is the he'll vote against it but, and it's a big BUT, that is generally accepted as the plan he has hashed. Funny given that JC is a clear leaver but its also obvious that the EU aren't going to give him a decent leave deal knowing that JC's referendum is "accept the deal" or "remain"
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Chris, this is the 2nd time on this question and I fully respect what you’re saying, but let me explain, I’m in a decent position in that my local Labour MP, Graeme Morris voted for Boris’s deal against the whip, I want out and can’t stand Corbyn, so happy to vote on local issues with the worry Corbyn could be PM, the more I see with Corbyn (Last night being another negative) the more I’m shifting to spoiling my ballot paper.
Now, if you can be bothered, when SR posted I respond twice respectfully and asked him to provide the link were Corbyn “stated” he would vote against his own deal, such a statement, would for me, be the final turning point, at the moment it’s no more than what we conceive could happen.
He could of easily posted he chose his words wrong or whatever, instead he got personal, so in response I called him out.
 
pauldj42 said:
Chris, this is the 2nd time on this question and I fully respect what you’re saying, but let me explain, I’m in a decent position in that my local Labour MP, Graeme Morris voted for Boris’s deal against the whip, I want out and can’t stand Corbyn, so happy to vote on local issues with the worry Corbyn could be PM, the more I see with Corbyn (Last night being another negative) the more I’m shifting to spoiling my ballot paper.
Now, if you can be bothered, when SR posted I respond twice respectfully and asked him to provide the link were Corbyn “stated” he would vote against his own deal, such a statement, would for me, be the final turning point, at the moment it’s no more than what we conceive could happen.
He could of easily posted he chose his words wrong or whatever, instead he got personal, so in response I called him out.
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I'm not defending SR specifically Paul, or criticising your decision to ask for proof, but merely saying that JC is playing fast and loose with Brexit. In saying that he will renegotiate a better deal than Boris has, he is peeing in the wind, as any better deal is one that the EU will insist is going to keep us more closely tied than the current one and therefore imo we'd be better off staying in, but of course that doesnt deliver on the 2016 referendum. Corbyn isn't going to state that he will vote against his own deal publicly but I've seen several interviews where Labour MP,s have been asked the question and their response has been "we'll have to wait and see what deal he gets" . It's all just a fudge to having to state his real Brexit position during the general election.
 
larmen said:
There is a meme out there (yes, memes are made up) where the Labour minimum wage proposal of GBP 10 gets called unaffordable by some newspeaper which celebrates the Tory proposal of GBP 10.50 as a brilliant idea. I think they were express front pages which someone collated together.
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I believe the Tory cost is £10.50 in the 4th year.........….they will be dancing in the streets of Raith with that one.:sleep:
 
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