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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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SocketRocket said:
And so we would be, Japan and Canada dont pay the EU for free trade and dont have freedom of movement.
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Freedom of movement is required... Japan have an economy that exports and produces domestic components for their big commodities.. we don’t we have sourced throughout Europe.
We are going over old ground here.
Labour will probably go for a Norway deal
 
harpo_72 said:
Freedom of movement is required... Japan have an economy that exports and produces domestic components for their big commodities.. we don’t we have sourced throughout Europe.
We are going over old ground here.
Labour will probably go for a Norway deal
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The UK was offered the Canada deal right at the outset by Tusk, but May refused. She wanted something a lot closer to in but not quite in.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Probably Boris succeeded in getting the EU to negotiate because he had the, very real, leverage of “no deal”.

Corbyn had demanded “no deal” isn’t an option, So just wondering how he is going to succeed, if he gets the chance
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No he didn’t, he’d already lost that case when he was negotiating, if he no longer had the bluff why didn’t they walk away.
Or was just possible, that just like Corbyn, boris was willing to give them some more of what they wanted?:unsure:
 
pauldj42 said:
Show me the statement, it’s all I ask please.
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There is no statement of the intent but it's clear that he intends to follow that path. The EU wont negotiate a decent deal, unless its BRINO so Corbyn has a referendum that is to take the deal,or remain, and he'll campaign the remain option, even though he's a leaver by nature
 
chrisd said:
There is no statement of the intent but it's clear that he intends to follow that path. The EU wont negotiate a decent deal, unless its BRINO so Corbyn has a referendum that is to take the deal,or remain, and he'll campaign the remain option, even though he's a leaver by nature
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There must be Chris, SR has posted Corbyn has stated so.
None of us trust him, but it’s all conjecture until we see it.
It could be like the last time when MP’s were given a free vote.
 
pauldj42 said:
There must be Chris, SR has posted Corbyn has stated so.
None of us trust him, but it’s all conjecture until we see it.
It could be like the last time when MP’s were given a free vote.
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The irony here is we have JC who is more honest than Boris and yet he isn’t trusted .. really ?
Are people thinking objectively? ... No not at all
 
harpo_72 said:
The irony here is we have JC who is more honest than Boris and yet he isn’t trusted .. really ?
Are people thinking objectively? ... No not at all
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Of course they're thinking objectively, but with a different 'pass mark' for them. Nowt wrong with that, that's politics. Your persuasion is different to theirs. Both are right.

Corbyn's politics aren't my politics. Many of his beliefs are the same as mine, but he's far more extreme in those beliefs. And his desire to achieve them means doing things to the economy that I don't believe in.

What I don't believe is the many promises he's made in an effort to buy votes. Its unaffordable, and I expect that the reality of it will be that if he gains office he'll renege on those promises and say that the mess the Tories left the country in means he can't afford to honour those promises. Alternatively, he'll borrow that much money the UK will be a hybrid of Greece and Venezuela.
 
Hobbit said:
Of course they're thinking objectively, but with a different 'pass mark' for them. Nowt wrong with that, that's politics. Your persuasion is different to theirs. Both are right.

Corbyn's politics aren't my politics. Many of his beliefs are the same as mine, but he's far more extreme in those beliefs. And his desire to achieve them means doing things to the economy that I don't believe in.

What I don't believe is the many promises he's made in an effort to buy votes. Its unaffordable, and I expect that the reality of it will be that if he gains office he'll renege on those promises and say that the mess the Tories left the country in means he can't afford to honour those promises. Alternatively, he'll borrow that much money the UK will be a hybrid of Greece and Venezuela.
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He will then be found to be a liar .. simples. But up until now he is an unknown commodity.

It does feel he is too far left, but we have right wing papers reporting this ..

There have been some headline shockers but how true are they?

But as I have stated, Brexit is the key and where you stand on that and what you want should determine your selection. All else is just speculation.
 
harpo_72 said:
But as I have stated, Brexit is the key and where you stand on that and what you should determine your selection. All else is just speculation.
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Living where I do I dont have to vote tactically but voting to try and achieve leave or remain is potentially dangerous as whoever wins will get 5 years of power under the fixed term Parliament Act and that could do more damage in the short term
 
SocketRocket said:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ions-pressure-labour-become-anti-brexit-party
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“In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for remain against either no Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.” ... qualifying statement, which doesn’t mean he will remain because he has not negotiated a “deal” yet and that deal will have to meet the criteria he has stated that the Tory deal doesn’t meet.
 
harpo_72 said:
“In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for remain against either no Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.” ... qualifying statement, which doesn’t mean he will remain because he has not negotiated a “deal” yet and that deal will have to meet the criteria he has stated that the Tory deal doesn’t meet.
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Do you think that the EU will negotiate a decent leave deal with Corbyn if the alternative is that we will vote to stay?
 
harpo_72 said:
He will then be found to be a liar .. simples. But up until now he is an unknown commodity.

It does feel he is too far left, but we have right wing papers reporting this ..

There have been some headline shockers but how true are they?

But as I have stated, Brexit is the key and where you stand on that and what you want should determine your selection. All else is just speculation.
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An unknown quantity? He's been in politics all his working life. His record is well documented, even by him. We've never seen him as PM but its naive to say we don't know him or his politics.
 
chrisd said:
Living where I do I dont have to vote tactically but voting to try and achieve leave or remain is potentially dangerous as whoever wins will get 5 years of power under the fixed term Parliament Act and that could do more damage in the short term
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Yeah I know Kent is a Tory strong hold.
The fixed term parliament act can be circumvented . Also I don’t believe 5 years will do the damage - thatcher did sustained damage as did the following Tory governments because they had no comprehension of economics and had sold off all the assets.
Plus pedalled a load rubbish about high taxation from the Labour Party, who to be fair had Foot in but Kinnock and Smith were good options.
So think your scaremongering, or of a nervous disposition.

So basically we have a load of Tory fan boys willing to vote a poor deal in 👍
 
Hobbit said:
An unknown quantity? He's been in politics all his working life. His record is well documented, even by him. We've never seen him as PM but its naive to say we don't know him or his politics.
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Top jobs change people .. some step up, some flop
 
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