Steve Wilkes
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Look at the Course Ratings for the Blue Tees , which are exactly the same yards for the Men & Female, but 6 shots difference, so Men & Women shooting the same score would have a 6 handicap Index difference
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Look at the Course Ratings for the Blue Tees , which are exactly the same yards for the Men & Female, but 6 shots difference, so Men & Women shooting the same score would have a 6 handicap Index difference
KenL
Tour Rookie
What if others are interested? ?
Steve Wilkes
Well-known member
It wouldn't surprise me if the Top Women were +8 or better, but if you take an average Tour Pro player in the Mens game is +4.2, and the No.1 in the world is +6 point something, that to me says the Average Womens tour player is around the +1 to 2 mark
bobmac
Major Champion
I've got 2 tickets for tomorrow but her indoors wants to go shopping.
So if anyone wants to go instead, her name is Becky and she'll be outside Asda in Lincoln at 11am
So if anyone wants to go instead, her name is Becky and she'll be outside Asda in Lincoln at 11am
D-S
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Is the average tour player really only +4.2 under WHS? We had four players in last year’s Carris Trophy at our club at +7 and i don‘t think they could make it on tour (they were all under 18).
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Lady at our place is +3 and turned Pro when she was +4 under old system and only lasted one year on tour .
Brads
Active member
Many thanks for that but am unable to go.
Hopefully someone uses them .
Thanks again for the offer.
Steve Wilkes
Well-known member
Sorry just re-googled it and a survey found an average PGA Tour Pro would be +5.4, I did my own experiment back in 2020 when Dustin Johnson had a great 5 tournament run, which included his Masters win and he come out at +8.1, Are you sure they were +7's
D-S
Well-known member
Yes - the ballot was at plus 1.6 and these were mainly only GB&I players as due to Covid the Europeans were not able to come, I assume that would make the ballot level even higher as they normally have 20 or more nations represented.
For info we have 8 players in Gloucestershire alone at plus 4.2 or better with the best at plus 6.2.
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Foxholer
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If that's the case, they are playing pretty much off the normal Men's tees.
It's still surprising how far they hit irons. 16th hole 172yds and they are hitting 8 irons, albeit aiming to land it short as not a hole to be past the pin.
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
Anyway, back to the golf - Buhai & Sagstrom played pretty well today. Still, it's anyone's game at the mo - but wouldn't be surprised if Inbee Park takes it.
KenL
Tour Rookie
The sign on that hole said 160 yards. I watched a few groups yesterday and they all looked to be hitting 8 (curved top edge).
Cracking and tricky par 3.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Every part of this discussion has been totally relevant, apart from this of course. ?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Indeed, Park is playing sneakily well. Lydia Ko blew her chances on 18 today, though there hasn't been the 'sparkle' to her game that happens when she 'dominates'.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Indeed cracking Par 3. Uphill to raised green, as are several others. Broadcast showed 172 yards. There are no weak holes on the course, though a few, like 2, where proper placement of tee shot can set up birdie opportunities. Mostly though it's a course where good 'defensive' play, at least off the tee, is rewarded more than good 'offensive' play.
sunshine
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When I went to the Women’s Open at Woburn a few years ago I noticed they were mainly playing from the yellow tees, with a couple of holes off the reds.
sunshine
Well-known member
Maybe because Dustin Johnson was playing courses set up for tournament play, so much more tricky than the standard course rating?
Also, WHS doesn’t really capture the range of difficulty in courses. Seems to be mainly based on length and doesn’t adjust enough for courses with really tricky greens. Fast greens and tucked pins is usually the main course protection on tour.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
The six amateur ladies representing England playing in the recent European Team Championship (so the top 6 in the country) all had HIs of between +4.2 to +6.3.
The lowest HI in that Championship was a Swedish girl who was off +8.4, plus Louise Duncan turned pro last month when off +4.9…she is currently doing ok in the Ladies British Open.
RRidges
Active member
The life of a touring Pro golfer is pretty dire without some sort of breakthrough or sizable funding - especially for Ladies.
Blue in Munich
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I was thinking similar to this; the pro game "lifestyle" just doesn't suit some people; was it the golf itself or the travel & other associated stuff that did for her?
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