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Against the spirit of the game?

Kellfire said:
So we seem to have two groups of people...

1. Those who are showing that they wouldn't obey the rules of golf but claim this makes them sportsmanlike.
2. Those who would obey the rules. And they're being called unsportmanslike.

Interesting...

Also, many of those in category 1 are ignoring the fact that Shepherd tried her best to have Moon given a reprieve for her blatant rule break.

Baffling. This case is so black and white it's odd that it even merits debate.
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Really? Which rule is being broken by conceding a putt in match play?
 
DaveR said:
Really? Which rule is being broken by conceding a putt in match play?
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But she never conceded the putt, Moon moved the ball before she had chance to concede therefore she broke the rule of moving a ball when still in play(18-2 i believe), 1 stroke penalty, hole lost and game over, no possible argument.
 
I don't actually blame Shepard. I blame her coach or whoever it was who must have mouthed ' did you give that'. She without really thinking just blurts it out and there is nothing that could be done after that.

Had she turned away like she did and walked on to the next tee then nothing would have come from it.
 
Jates12 said:
But she never conceded the putt, Moon moved the ball before she had chance to concede therefore she broke the rule of moving a ball when still in play(18-2 i believe), 1 stroke penalty, hole lost and game over, no possible argument.
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You don't get it do you. If she had just walked to the next tee that would have been the end of it. Shepherd had no reason to say 'I didn't give that' other than being led by her coach otherwise she wouldn't have questioned the ref's decision.
 
garyinderry said:
I don't actually blame Shepard. I blame her coach or whoever it was who must have mouthed ' did you give that'. She without really thinking just blurts it out and there is nothing that could be done after that.

Had she turned away like she did and walked on to the next tee then nothing would have come from it.
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She tried to give it but the rules official wouldn't let her as Moon had already moved the ball. There is nobody to blame but Moon.
 
I have always been under the impression that a concession has to be verbalised. The player has to say something, just turning around and walking away is not a concession. I cannot find anything specific in the rule (2-4) or decisions, although there are decisions that state picking up your opponents ball or marker is not a concession. Since she did not get a chance to verbally concede the put, and a concession cannot be given retrospectively, Moon was in breach of rule 18-1 and lost the hole.
 
DaveR said:
You don't get it do you. If she had just walked to the next tee that would have been the end of it. Shepherd had no reason to say 'I didn't give that' other than being led by her coach otherwise she wouldn't have questioned the ref's decision.
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Exactly
 
DaveR said:
You don't get it do you. If she had just walked to the next tee that would have been the end of it. Shepherd had no reason to say 'I didn't give that' other than being led by her coach otherwise she wouldn't have questioned the ref's decision.
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at least someone else gets it
 
DaveR said:
You don't get it do you. If she had just walked to the next tee that would have been the end of it. Shepherd had no reason to say 'I didn't give that' other than being led by her coach otherwise she wouldn't have questioned the ref's decision.
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But she didnt just walk to the next tee did she. How can you not see what she did was within the rules and what moon did wasnt. You may aswell just let all the rules slide in your games because you're clearly not interested in abiding by them. If you havent given a putt and someone asks "have you given that?" when you havent are you expected to lie? Or is lying part of being a good sport as well?
 
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patricks148 said:
she tried to give it after saying "I didn't give that" if she intended to give it why say that?
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perhaps because at the time she hadn't given it.....that seems pretty obvious to me. Moon should of either waited for verbal or holed out from the position she was in to avoid confusion. I dont see how you guys arent understanding this.
 
Jates12 said:
perhaps because at the time she hadn't given it.....that seems pretty obvious to me. Moon should of either waited for verbal or holed out from the position she was in to avoid confusion. I dont see how you guys arent understanding this.
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I understand exactly where you're coming from mate but it still doesn't sit right, she was obviously "coached" into claiming it wasn't conceded.
Btw, have you ever not conceded a 6" putt?
 
Beezerk said:
Btw, have you ever not conceded a 6" putt?
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This year, on the final hole, 1 down, my oppo had an 8inch or so putt to draw the hole, win the match. If not, we go to all square and walk up the 1st again. He was a 16 handicapper. I didn't know him. He could let the stress of the situation or his nerves miss that putt. He could have been the worst 8inch putter in the world. He could already be planning his celebratory beer in the clubhouse and miss through lack of concentration.

I've missed those putts before, I've seen them lip out or horseshoe round the cup, or I've hit the ground and tapped it 2 inches not 8. Of course I'm going to make the person putt the final putt of the match before they win. Nothing wrong with that.

Surely, the fundamental point of golf is to get the ball in the hole? Not get it near enough that it'll do?
 
Jates12 said:
perhaps because at the time she hadn't given it.....that seems pretty obvious to me. Moon should of either waited for verbal or holed out from the position she was in to avoid confusion. I dont see how you guys arent understanding this.
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i've no problem with her not giving it, but the fact she then tried to after and said "i didn;t want to win int like that" IMO trying to cover herself. The fact is if she intended to give it all along why say what she did. She could have just carried on walking to the next tee and the hole would have been halved.

she (or her coach) saw an opportunity to claim the hole and took it
 
One of my best golf mates gets absolutely furious if anyone asks him to make short putts, meaning anything under a foot or so. I played against him once in a pairs competition and I made him sink everything all day long, because I knew that making them wouldn't stop him getting angry at me. Sure enough, eventually he started get very jabby with them and he missed a couple late on. Afterwards he had to admit that I had done the right thing and it was his anger that cost him, not me by asking him to hole everything.

Anyone I've played against who EVER looks at me and asks, "Is that good?" gets told no and they'll be holing everything all day long after that.
 
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