hovis
Tour Winner
she immediately said "i didn't give you that". you didn't see what happened after as it was edited. she saw the opportunity to win and took it
Against the spirit of the game?
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she immediately said "i didn't give you that". you didn't see what happened after as it was edited. she saw the opportunity to win and took it
hovis
Tour Winner
it isn't that black and white. spirit of the game doesn't just mean "follow them rules"
I'll give you an example of spirit if the game.......
i was playing match play and just as i was about to tee off the crow scarer in the field next to me went off. i duffed my tee shot 100 yards across the floor. my fellow competitor who was loosing at the time put his driver back in his bag, pulled out a pitching wedge and hit it 100 yards to my ball! he said "that makes things even"
that says alot about a person
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
I've just watched that video and the most disturbing thing about it was that all of the shots shown were Shepherd up until Moon's missed putt. That was the only shot of hers they showed vs, I don't know, maybe a dozen of Shepherd. That's just weird, what's that about?
TheJezster
Tour Rookie
In that situation I'd let you play again, in fact have done on a couple of occasions in similar situations
Jates12
Challenge Tour Pro
So if she had made her putt that would i be bad sportsmanship or gamesmanship? as they are two very different things. If you class sportsmanship as letting someone get away with an infraction that could of potentially lost you the match then yes we totally do because to me thats a hugely backwards way of thinking and seeing competition.
If she had let her get away with it, then lost the next hole and been knocked out would anyone be saying "wow what a great sport she was" or would we be saying "why didnt she follow the rules and take the win" I have a feeling we would have a lot of hypocrites on our hands.
GreggerKBR
Head Pro
I know, she dragged it and still missed... unbelievable... :rofl::rant:
GreggerKBR
Head Pro
Wow, that is a very generous bloke, legendary. :thup:
One in a million!
It's a nice thought, but I wonder if any one of our "tour stars" might have done that years back (before the money), say whilst playing the English Amateur or Walker Cup or something, something with title that would add to their golfing CV and future sponsorship credentials? Seriously doubt any Cat1 golfer in the heat of a scratch match would do that.
I give my wife plenty of mulligans, I let my beginner golfing buddies retake all sorts of shots.
But would I give or expect to be given such gratuities in a serious match... nope, I would not.
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Robster59
Tour Rookie
I don't see a controversy here although it does seem to have created a lot. Elizabeth Moon made the error. Moon took the ball back before it was conceded. In fairness she actually really didn't give Erica Shepherd chance to concede it, or even look around to check. You can see the look on Shepherds face and I don't see how she can be given any blame at all. A very basic mistake by Moon.
bobmac
Major Champion
In my opinion after the putt was missed, Shepherd turned to walk away which to me means she's conceeded the next putt.
Unnecessary and unwanted interference from the rules official which ruined a good match
Unnecessary and unwanted interference from the rules official which ruined a good match
I'm not sure the ref interfered Bob. As you say Shepard walked away and it was a putt that would have been conceded more often than not. She chose to say, "i didn't give that" and then the ref got involved after.
a lot of matches now esp elite televised comps, it seems not unusual for players to just walk of the green leaving their opponent having to guess its given, sim to the Solhiem cup recently.
bobmac
Major Champion
she is sort of looking at the Camera, or someone behind that so may have been prompted.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
She looks around and it is her coach who tells her.
I can't remember where I read this but looking at the footage its clear that this is what happens.
The putt misses and she turns around. Eyes closed or not. She looks around past the camera and the penny drops about what she is told by the coach.
If she really didn't want to give the putt she would not have turned away like that.
I can't remember where I read this but looking at the footage its clear that this is what happens.
The putt misses and she turns around. Eyes closed or not. She looks around past the camera and the penny drops about what she is told by the coach.
If she really didn't want to give the putt she would not have turned away like that.
bobmac
Major Champion
That's my take on it. She was relieved to still be in the match and was off to the next tee.
If she wanted to see the 8in putt in, she wouldn't have moved.
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Shepherd won the final 3&2 for those wondering.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Yeah we were all rooting for her :whoo: :rofl:
Capella
Journeyman Pro
She even said so. When the ref asked her, she said she had wanted to give that putt, but had not have time to do that. And the ref clarified that she could not concede the putt in hindsight. It was really the coach (who brought it up) and the ref who decided the outcome of the situation, not Erica shepherd. She looked pretty dumbfolded by the whole thing, to be honest.
Kellfire
Blackballed
So we seem to have two groups of people...
1. Those who are showing that they wouldn't obey the rules of golf but claim this makes them sportsmanlike.
2. Those who would obey the rules. And they're being called unsportmanslike.
Interesting...
Also, many of those in category 1 are ignoring the fact that Shepherd tried her best to have Moon given a reprieve for her blatant rule break.
Baffling. This case is so black and white it's odd that it even merits debate.
1. Those who are showing that they wouldn't obey the rules of golf but claim this makes them sportsmanlike.
2. Those who would obey the rules. And they're being called unsportmanslike.
Interesting...
Also, many of those in category 1 are ignoring the fact that Shepherd tried her best to have Moon given a reprieve for her blatant rule break.
Baffling. This case is so black and white it's odd that it even merits debate.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Many times players walk onto the next tee indicating that a putt is given.
Moon should not have raked the ball back without clarification. She assumed Shepard would give her the putt as she states she would have given the opportunity.
The reason she didn't have time to give it was she had shut her eyes. This is a contributing factor to this mess. Had she been watching she could have instantly given the putt (as she said she would) or say 'i will see that in'.
This delay and the assumption of moon's part was the main factors in this mess.
Moon should not have raked the ball back without clarification. She assumed Shepard would give her the putt as she states she would have given the opportunity.
The reason she didn't have time to give it was she had shut her eyes. This is a contributing factor to this mess. Had she been watching she could have instantly given the putt (as she said she would) or say 'i will see that in'.
This delay and the assumption of moon's part was the main factors in this mess.
i don't agree, she did, it that was the case and she did want to give moon the putt, she wouldn't have said " i didn't give that"
I'm saying it is becoming common place for people not be on the green when a putt is being made or s decision is needed, so players are having to assume its given. Even with sheppards putt you don;t see or hear the putt being given she just walks up and picks it up.
She is withing her rights and withing the laws to claim the hole.. no question.... i just don't think its that sporting
