A very odd stupid mistake

[Birchy]

I'm confused, what your marker tallies the total score as is irrelevant, it is the individual hole scores that you sign for, not the total, that is the committee's responsibility. Can you explain exactly what you got DQ'd for?

Also, would your handicap still not be adjusted from the scorecard? You were DQ'd from the competition, no the handicap calculation?

I cant remember the exact scores but my front 9 scores total box read something like 43 and back 9 read 42.

The front scores all tallied up to 43. The back 9 however tallied up to 43 not the incorrect total of 42 which was written down.

One of my scores on the back 9 had been written down wrong by the marker and he added it up wrong to falsely give the correct total that I should of had. So because I didn't check the hole by hole scores and tally it up myself it was one too many.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Also, would your handicap still not be adjusted from the scorecard? You were DQ'd from the competition, no the handicap calculation?

Agree, scorecard should have been adjusted to the score actually achieved for handicap purposes so it shouldn't have cost a cut.

 

[atticusfinch]

The player is not responsible for correctly adding the total score, he is only responsible for the score for each hole..

In the usga a dq from the competition does not invalidate the score for handicap purposes.

 

[Foxholer]

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In the usga a dq from the competition does not invalidate the score for handicap purposes.

Doesn't always under Congu either.

And the 'legitimate' DQ scores are still used for CSS Calculation - after appropriate adjustments have been made.

 

[Birchy]

The score that stood was in buffer, the score I really had was 1 under. On the Congu system my score went in at the one that stood and I just had a +0.0 for a buffer score.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

You can't really "offer" the player anything, just follow the rules. He's returned his card, it's signed, add it up and record that as the score. May be 45 on the last but it's just the same as if he'd put 6 instead of 5 under the rules. So what if he gets a high nett score? Yes people will ask, probably have a laugh about it but maybe they too will check more closely in future?

PS I've seen this exact issue before at our club. They mustn't even glance at the card before signing it! Fair enough if you've had a nightmare but if you think you've done a decent score then more than a little careless. I think "stupid mistake" in the title probably sums it up!

PPS Never worry about DQ'ing players. It's always their fault!

Wasn't worried about DQ'n the guy as I have done that 3 times in the last few months, Just feels bad that it was a simple mistake and having a 45 on your card is ridiculous. I have withdrawn the offer of the NR and the 45 now stands.

 

[rulefan]

Doesn't always under Congu either.

And the 'legitimate' DQ scores are still used for CSS Calculation - after appropriate adjustments have been made.

Correct. Unless entering the wrong score was premeditated, the correct score should be used for handicap purposes.

The book only refers to a lower score (resulting in DQ) but in equity it applies to a higher score.

 

[palindromicbob]

Wasn't worried about DQ'n the guy as I have done that 3 times in the last few months, Just feels bad that it was a simple mistake and having a 45 on your card is ridiculous. I have withdrawn the offer of the NR and the 45 now stands.

What advantage would offering an NR have had? Also why DQ even come into the mix?

Just wondering about the thinking?

 

[atticusfinch]

I learned early on how a conscientious player verifies his card. In a sr us open qualifier I was manning the scoring table and one of the players sat down with his caddie. They proceeded to replay every stroke in the round verbally and not until both agreed on the score did he move on to the next hole. It took half an hour but there was no doubt that the card was correct.

 

[chrisd]

I learned from mistakes made in card filling to sit down when I, or anyone in my group had a good card, to check everything on the card. It has paid dividends with an odd score being wrong or signature missing.

 

[ger147]

What happens to your handicap in an instance like this?

Ignoring the fact that it's a 45 in this case as I know it gets rounded down to net double, if you're actual score was say a gross par which would see you inside buffer but the incorrect score rounded down to net double puts you in line for a 0.1 increase, does your HC go up?

 

[rulefan]

His actual score for the hole is used for the handicap adjustment calculation. The 45 is used as the competition score only.

 

[Fyldewhite]

His actual score for the hole is used for the handicap adjustment calculation. The 45 is used as the competition score only.

The above is quite correct. There are two types of DQ score for handicap purposes. Those like the instance above where the score was actually completed under the rules and the error causing the DQ is purely administrative. On the other hand, a score where a rule infringement may have given an advantage such as practicing or an illegal club would result in the card being disregarded for handicap purposes and removed from the comp.

 

[ger147]

The above is quite correct. There are two types of DQ score for handicap purposes. Those like the instance above where the score was actually completed under the rules and the error causing the DQ is purely administrative. On the other hand, a score where a rule infringement may have given an advantage such as an incorrect drop or illegal club would result in the card being disregarded for handicap purposes and removed from the comp.

You wouldn't get DQ'd from the comp for the 45 mistake. If you put a higher score than you actually scored the score stands for the comp?

 

[ger147]

His actual score for the hole is used for the handicap adjustment calculation. The 45 is used as the competition score only.

Cool, just wondered.

 

[Fyldewhite]

You wouldn't get DQ'd from the comp for the 45 mistake. If you put a higher score than you actually scored the score stands for the comp?

Yes, it just stands as his score. I thought that was well established earlier in the thread and it had moved on to the question of how DQ scores are treated for handicap purposes in general. I've obviously phrased that wrongly as this wasn't actually a DQ situation but the sentiment is the same. I've also edited my post as an incorrect drop wouldn't be a good example but again the general principle is the point.

 

[ger147]

Yes, it just stands as his score. I thought that was well established earlier in the thread and it had moved on to the question of how DQ scores are treated for handicap purposes in general. I've obviously phrased that wrongly as this wasn't actually a DQ situation but the sentiment is the same. I've also edited my post as an incorrect drop wouldn't be a good example but again the general principle is the point.

No probs - it was the part where you mentioned being DQ'd like example above where of course in the example above there is no DQ.

 

[rulefan]

There are two types of DQ score for handicap purposes.

See Appendix P of the CONGU Regulations

http://www.congu.com/new manual/CONGU_GENERIC_web.pdf

Those DQs which are not acceptable get an automatic increase of 0.1.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

What advantage would offering an NR have had? Also why DQ even come into the mix?

Just wondering about the thinking?

Offered him the NR as he clearly made a monumental mistake and as it was a medal it was going to turn a decent score into a cricket score (That's because I have known him for 10 years and I know what a funny bugger he can be), After speaking with several people I realised I couldn't do this so that was withdrawn, Also for this one the DQ was never an option as he signed for a higher score than he actually had, Someone else in the thread suggested that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

IIf a score entered for a hole is lower than the actual score, then DQ; if higher, then the higher score counts.

Thanks - I wasn't sure as I can only ever recall this or similar happening to me once - and it was a better ball stableford comp. I got a shot on the hole - my buddy didn't. I came in with the better score but marker put score under buddy's name. I would have scored a point - in his column it didn't. So be it. I think we lost out on a place.