A question for the rules experts

[Backache]

yes, you can describe it as luck if you wish, but luck itself is just a construct that we use to put some kind of meaning to life's often random events.

Many words are for things that are a construct, virtually anything that describes our emotions . The question is does that construct have a degree of utility and is the word useful
I would say luck describes events that are difficult to predict either whether or when they will happen that are by and large outwith our control but affect us adversely or positively.
Having such a word is useful to describe such events.

If a coin is spun and there is nothing dependent on the outcome the side that it lands on is random but no one is very interested. If the result of a tie is dependent on it we can say someone has good or bad luck in that instance.

 

[cliveb]

If Pete doesn't like the word luck, what does he say when a playing companion gets a bad bounce on the golf course:
"Oh dear, what an unfortunate outcome from a random event over which you had no control"

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If Pete doesn't like the word luck, what does he say when a playing companion gets a bad bounce on the golf course:
"Oh dear, what an unfortunate outcome from a random event over which you had no control"

Have a feeling someone is just being contrary

 

[Deleted member 35927]

If Pete doesn't like the word luck, what does he say when a playing companion gets a bad bounce on the golf course:
"Oh dear, what an unfortunate outcome from a random event over which you had no control"

It's fine I use it all the time, just pointing out that it's not real. Enjoy your day and good luck at golf if you're playing.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Have a feeling someone is just being contrary

No, @cliveb specifically said that good and bad luck even themselves out, many others also think this.
However it's not true, it's just something people say to make themselves feel better or for some it's far worse, some gamblers being an obvious example.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No, @cliveb specifically said that good and bad luck even themselves out, many others also think this.
However it's not true, it's just something people say to make themselves feel better or for some it's far worse, some gamblers being an obvious example.

How do you know it’s not true?

I’m going to guess you have zero definitive proof either way

And yep for most there are such things as good and bad luck and at times during any specific time frame they even themselves out

 

[Deleted member 35927]

How do you know it’s not true?

I’m going to guess you have zero definitive proof either way

And yep for most there are such things as good and bad luck and at times during any specific time frame they even themselves out

Now who's being contrary . if you want a serious conversation about probability theory then I'm all ears. Otherwise I'll bid you good day sir.

 

[cliveb]

No, @cliveb specifically said that good and bad luck even themselves out, many others also think this.
However it's not true, it's just something people say to make themselves feel better or for some it's far worse, some gamblers being an obvious example.

And just in case people haven't been following the whole thread, I've already acknowledged my error and now agree that good and bad luck are not equally likely.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Golf would take forever if you took a provisional every time you are not 100% sure where it is.
The only time you are 100% sure is when you see it come to rest .
Provisionals are time consuming much better to have a proper rule saying where to drop it.

Except you don’t know where to drop if you don’t know where your ball is. People take the Micky with drops when you’ve seen it go into a penalty area. Imagine what it would be like if they haven’t seen it.

 

[Backache]

Except you don’t know where to drop if you don’t know where your ball is. People take the Micky with drops when you’ve seen it go into a penalty area. Imagine what it would be like if they haven’t seen it.

You get two penalty strokes which is pretty significant. Maybe a few would take liberties but having just introduced a handicapping system that positively encourages cheating. I think something that speeds up play but penalises you with two penalty strokes is hardly likely to spoil the game further. Why the handicapping authorities didn't allow the model local rule for handicapping I have no idea.

 

[Neilds]

You get two penalty strokes which is pretty significant. Maybe a few would take liberties but having just introduced a handicapping system that positively encourages cheating. I think something that speeds up play but penalises you with two penalty strokes is hardly likely to spoil the game further. Why the handicapping authorities didn't allow the model local rule for handicapping I have no idea.

I’ve not seen this encouragement in any of the literature I have read, could you please provide links, etc. so I can ensure I am getting every benefit from the system as possible?

 

[Backache]

I’ve not seen this encouragement in any of the literature I have read, could you please provide links, etc. so I can ensure I am getting every benefit from the system as possible?

Certainly

https://www.whs.com/

 

[Swinglowandslow]

You get two penalty strokes which is pretty significant. Maybe a few would take liberties but having just introduced a handicapping system that positively encourages cheating. I think something that speeds up play but penalises you with two penalty strokes is hardly likely to spoil the game further. Why the handicapping authorities didn't allow the model local rule for handicapping I have no idea.

Yes, exactly right. Most times when a ball is lost or goes OOB, the 2, or 3 or 4 players have a pretty good idea where it went OOB, or lost. ( like as when a ball goes in a water pen area)
So, dropping on fairway nearest that ‘point’ would not be liable to too much disagreement.
Then the game could flow much better.
Especially for us old buggers

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Certainly

https://www.whs.com/

Bit over the top, I've not felt encouraged to cheat , despite having a whs index.

 

[Neilds]

Certainly

https://www.whs.com/

So by following the guidelines you are admitting that you are a cheat are you?

 

[Backache]

So by following the guidelines you are admitting that you are a cheat are you?

I don't think I said that, but it facilitates cheating compared with previous iterations.

 

[Neilds]

I don't think I said that, but it facilitates cheating compared with previous iterations.

Your exact words were “positively encourages cheating” which it obviously doesn’t.

 

[Backache]

Your exact words were “positively encourages cheating” which it obviously doesn’t.

Perhaps I was Hyperbolic.
My point was that a rule to allow a drop with the loss of two penalty strokes is hardly generous to anyone and is open to rather less manipulation than the current iteration of the handicapping system.

 

[3offTheTee]

In view of the thread title I did not want to start a fresh thread and this is a query I saw on a What’s App Group I am on:

A member of the handicap committee said,” Mike you have 2 penalty scores, do you want them wiping out”? One looked reasonable as it was obviously a mistake as he had 2 scores entered on the same day for the same round with a score difference of 1 but hd P against it.

The other just had. “p” against it and his score was entered on HDID results on that day. Whilst possibly irrelevant all 3 were counting scores.

Can a member of The Handicapping Committee just delete scores ad hoc?

 

[D-S]

In view of the thread title I did not want to start a fresh thread and this is a query I saw on a What’s App Group I am on:

A member of the handicap committee said,” Mike you have 2 penalty scores, do you want them wiping out”? One looked reasonable as it was obviously a mistake as he had 2 scores entered on the same day for the same round with a score difference of 1 but hd P against it.

The other just had. “p” against it and his score was entered on HDID results on that day. Whilst possibly irrelevant all 3 were counting scores.

Can a member of The Handicapping Committee just delete scores ad hoc?

They can delete or adjust them from a neutral score (HI plus CR) to, for example, the best score in the record or the worst, dependent on the Committee’s view of the intent. They shouldn’t be wiped out on a whim, there needs to be an agreed rationale behind the deletion or adjustment.