Old Skier
Tour Winner
Some clubs cannot afford all the bells and whistles unfortunatel.
Foxholer
Blackballed
That puzzles me slightly, as for both 100% and 95% give 6 as the rounded result for those numbers.
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Singles Matchplay has no deduction, each player uses the difference between their course handicaps.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Doh! Thanks. Doesn't surprise me that I screwed up there. I haven't played Singles Matchplay in years! And our 'keeper of 'caps' does all the calcs for Pairs on a phone app. I've updated my post.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Or to be pedantically correct…but also to consistent with how allowances are calculated across all formats, in singles matchplay the shot allowance is the difference of the Playing Handicaps with Playing Handicap being 100% of Course Handicap.
I make that, what might seem perhaps pedantic, point to those I’m playing with simply because shots given/received are ALWAYS calculated off Playing Handicap, and NEVER Course Handicap - and so when working out shots I always talk about differencing PHs - keeping CHs out of it - even when they are, in the turn out, equivalent.
Colin L
Tour Winner
I think that's a good approach as the Playing Handicap is not always the same as the Course Handicap. If the players in a match are playing off different tees, there may be an adjustment to the Playing Handicap of one of them.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
If we are being pedantic (but I know what you mean) it is not called Playing Handicap in singles match play
For singles match play the stroke allowance is 100% of the Course Handicap. In addition, because the players are playing from tees with different Course Ratings, the competitor playing over the higher rated course receives the difference in the CR values added to the Course Handicap after the application of the stroke allowance.
For singles match play the stroke allowance is 100% of the Course Handicap. In addition, because the players are playing from tees with different Course Ratings, the competitor playing over the higher rated course receives the difference in the CR values added to the Course Handicap after the application of the stroke allowance.
rulefan
Tour Winner
It is defined as such in Rule 6.2a
6.2b(i) specifically calls it the Playing Handicap in this context.
tobybarker
Active member
Don't you round the 5.98 up, THEN apply the 95percent? No difference in this example, admittedly
wjemather
Well-known member
Yes, in England, Wales and Ireland, but not in Scotland, which is where the original question related to.
tobybarker
Active member
Ok.... As was said, what a mess
rulefan
Tour Winner
Swango1980
Well-known member
Surely 5.98 would still be rounded to 6.0 in Scotland (I.e. to one decimal place)?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Which is because only Scotland has applied the WHS Rules correctly.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
I'm not certain, but I think there is no rounding of course handicap in Scotland. Only after 95%, 90%, 85% etc is applied do they round to a whole number.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Is there some sort of information board that shows a player what his unrounded CH is? Or do they have to use their phone?
nickjdavis
Head Pro
I cant imagine there would be a board as it would be utterly impractical as every unique Handicap Index from 0.0 to 54.0 would result in a unique unrounded CH. You would have a CH table running to 540 rows....and that's ignoring the plus handicap indexes.
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It is
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
yes already said in post #228 by rulefan
Always the same problem when part of the rule book says one thing and another part of the rule book says another.
azazel
Assistant Pro
Sorry to bring this up again, and thanks to those who helped out when I originally asked it. I think the mixed tee angle might be the source of confusion at our club but I can't find out why so was hoping if anyone on here would know where to find the answer.
Basically we run competitions almost every Saturday and each competition has three separate sections: Men's (white tees), seniors (yellow tees) and ladies (red tees). There are individual prizes for each section and NO combined competition or element whatsoever. Is it likely or even possible that the competition could be being set up as a mixed tee comp behind the scenes due to a misunderstanding of that term and, if so, could that result in some funky goings on with handicaps? Ie my example of a 5.2 index getting a playing handicap of 7 rather than 6 (course rating 70.8, slope 1.30)?