3 minutes to find ball

[rulie]

I guess a simple one would be can a club introduce an LR that says something like

"when searching for a ball players must using a timing device"

That way whether it be a watch, mobile or whatever it can be done in accordance with the LR. Thus taking out these accusations that have been made here that anyone that doesn't use one is a cheat and fast and loose with all rules because of this one we're asking about.

That's where the ambiguity has come in on this thread that the rules state a time but do not state you must actually time it. We all know about common sense etc but clearly up and down the land many more people do not use timing devices than there are those that do. If something therefore states one must be used then there can't be any arguments and people don't need to say everyone except them with their timer has questionable integrity.

If they can then that's something anyone of us can take to our clubs as a recommendation, if they cant then this loophole will never be closed with or without common sense.

It's highly unlikely that such a local Rule would be approved by the ruling body. Nothing has changed in the timing regard this year compared to the past, other than three minutes from five minutes. It's still up to the players to call penalties on themselves for Rules breaches and to play with integrity.

 

[Wolf]

and just when you thought it was done and dusted

I thought my last post was quite well thought out and gave at least some acknowledgement to how yes there's an issue with the rule but we can agree at least there's a means of moving on as adults with a common ground as with Orikoru reply to mine. Seems not, in fact seems we've gone deeper into wonderland to see how deep the rabbit hole goes and that in fact it's not perhaps a 3hybrid or driving iron I need for long shots but in fact I need a g shock.

 

[Wolf]

It's highly unlikely that such a local Rule would be approved by the ruling body. Nothing has changed in the timing regard this year compared to the past, other than three minutes from five minutes. It's still up to the players to call penalties on themselves for Rules breaches and to play with integrity.

Cheers Rulie appreciate the succinct and genuine reply. That's kind of my point to in past majority didn't time as they believed they knew when 5mins was up and those same people. Have continued in same trend with the change.

Was merely wondering if something could be done to introduce a need or requirement for a timer to stop the issue this thread alone has caused/raised.

Top man thanks once again.

 

[Orikoru]

I thought my last post was quite well thought out and gave at least some acknowledgement to how yes there's an issue with the rule but we can agree at least there's a means of moving on as adults with a common ground as with Orikoru reply to mine. Seems not, in fact seems we've gone deeper into wonderland to see how deep the rabbit hole goes and that in fact it's not perhaps a 3hybrid or driving iron I need for long shots but in fact I need a g shock.

There is no reasoning with some people. We both soften our stance and resolve to check the time as a reinforcement to our previous approximation of the 3 minutes. But no that's good enough either. Head and brick wall come to mind.

 

[rulefan]

Nobody has expanded any list of anything they've just stated they take a look at their phone 🤔
Yet to compare owning a watch for the ability to play golf is like owning clubs and balls is imo at least a little odd.

Just getting my club for my next shot, I don't know whether to hit the 9 iron or the Casio.... Yep watch is not much use for playing the game.

I'll stick to my mobile cursory glance and be done with that. Still not seeing how that's an excuse.

Cue the rule being posted word for word again.

Do you use a DMD of any sort?

 

[Wolf]

Do you use a DMD of any sort?

I do yes but as I stated a few posts back it doesn't have the time on it when in DMD mode. In order to get the time on it I'd have to go through the rigmarole of ending my round, and back to main screen which would take a good 30 seconds, even then it doesn't state the time with seconds so my time would be off as other will have started the search and I can't guarantee where in that minute it began, then have to go through restarting the round on the device, thus more time wasted. So I'll stick with the cursory glance at mobile time as mentioned before.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There is no reasoning with some people. We both soften our stance and resolve to check the time as a reinforcement to our previous approximation of the 3 minutes. But no that's good enough either. Head and brick wall come to mind.

Have the R&A changed the ruling on time permitted for searching for your ball then?

 

[patricks148]

I think i might email all the trolley manufactures with a great idea for a new accessory attachment...the golf /egg timer... i think it will be a top seller

 

[Wolf]

Have the R&A changed the ruling on time permitted for searching for your ball then?

No one has question the rule on time permitted BM, if anything it's been stated they'll do more to abide by it. However Orikoru point is even stating that he is being subject to a ludicrous post about how a watch is akin to the need for clubs and balls to play...

 

[Wolf]

I think i might email all the trolley manufactures with a great idea for a new accessory attachment...the golf /egg timer... i think it will be a top seller

Get a back up up sundial on it just incase humid conditions cause the sand to inside the glass to stick due to condensation

 

[garyinderry]

I wear a Fitbit and might try time a few searches soon to see how long they are taking.

 

[rulefan]

I have no interest in what people do in social golf. But in a monthly medal (say) I think it is unfair if some players make a conscious effort (by using a time measure) not to play a ball found after three minutes searching, when other players rely on their unproven body clocks to determine when the ball is lost. Particularly when all players have it within their power to be more accurate.
It seems perverse to say I need to know how much fuel I have in my car but I won't bother with a fuel gauge.

 

[patricks148]

I wear a Fitbit and might try time a few searches soon to see how long they are taking.

drop and give me, 3 mins of push ups.... job done

 

[Wolf]

I have no interest in what people do in social golf. But in a monthly medal (say) I think it is unfair if some players make a conscious effort (by using a time measure) not to play a ball found after three minutes searching, when other players rely on their unproven body clocks to determine when the ball is lost. Particularly when all players have it within their power to be more accurate.
It seems perverse to say I need to know how much fuel I have in my car but I won't bother with a fuel gauge.

What is it with rules officials and weird comparisons.

That's not even comparible. No fuel equals no journey, equals stranded in middle of nowhere, so of course you need a fuel gage it's a basic necessity of a car. No watch doesn't equate to not being able to hit a ball or play golf therefore not a basic necessity of being able to play golf.

It's been stated people will look at their phones as a courtesy off the back of this thread, yet now we've got the rules bods keeping it going by making weird comparisons, when a simple well done lads your at least doing the best you can to abide by said rule would suffice.


I go back to my previous post probably time the mods closed it down before it gets even weirder

 

[Bunkermagnet]

No one has question the rule on time permitted BM, if anything it's been stated they'll do more to abide by it. However Orikoru point is even stating that he is being subject to a ludicrous post about how a watch is akin to the need for clubs and balls to play...

I wear my weekend watch when golfing
Before that, I had a very cheap (Walmart $3) watch that had a velcro and fabric strap that I hung off a towel ring on the bag. Sometimes knowing what the actual time was could be important for many reasons, many not golf related.
The issue with actually timing the search came on because Orikoru stated that he wouldn't be so officious to be dicking around with a watch and would ignore someone playing their ball 20 seconds after the 3 minutes had elapsed and would let them carry on because that was the decent thing to do.

 

[Orikoru]

Have the R&A changed the ruling on time permitted for searching for your ball then?

Haha seriously? You're on a wind-up, you. Either that or you can't read.

But in a monthly medal (say) I think it is unfair if some players make a conscious effort (by using a time measure) .

They're not, trust me.

 

[Wolf]

I wear my weekend watch when golfing
Before that, I had a very cheap (Walmart $3) watch that had a velcro and fabric strap that I hung off a towel ring on the bag. Sometimes knowing what the actual time was could be important for many reasons, many not golf related.
The issue with actually timing the search came on because Orikoru stated that he wouldn't be so officious to be dicking around with a watch and would ignore someone playing their ball 20 seconds after the 3 minutes had elapsed and would let them carry on because that was the decent thing to do.

I don't own a watch like said before gsve up any need for it when I left the forces. I have never been able to wear one playing golf. I also don't have a need for one.

I get why you would have posted that when it was first brought up but in that time he has since stated he will check his phone yet the rules bods aren't happy with him or any of us now saying we do more instead we've got it compared to need balls to play or the basic necessity of a fuel gage.

I purposely would t want a watch to check time whe. I'm playing as when I go out and play that's my escape from a time construed world I get to have time without need to be anywhere but on course.

So now I will use my phone as I stated as Orikoru also stated but clearly that's not enough to bring this to a close.

 

[Orikoru]

I purposely would t want a watch to check time whe. I'm playing as when I go out and play that's my escape from a time construed world I get to have time without need to be anywhere but on course.
.

Agree with that as well. In many ways time is a construct of business, and it's nice to get away from all that, that's what golf is all about. Don't particularly want to be checking the time while I'm on the course. (Aside from the whole 3 min rule thing)

 

[chrisd]

But you have a phone that you use for yardages and course layout so are looking at it on the course quite often but not willing to pop a little app on it to correctly measure search time?

 

[Wolf]

But you have a phone that you use for yardages and course layout so are looking at it on the course quite often but not willing to pop a little app on it to correctly measure search time?

Nope I don't have an app for that I have a Bushnell Phantom for that phones in the bag. The Phantom doesn't have a clock on it when in DMD setting.

But it's already been stated phones will be used for a cursory glance so why carry it on further with assumptions about what people use their phones form