2022 World Cup.

[Swango1980]

Richarlison's bicycle was good but that Mexican lad's free kick was out of this world too.

Surely free kicks don't count, as a goalkeeper or Milner could take free kicks?

 

[Swango1980]

Imagine that! Messi winning his final World Cup was a decent enough story, just imagine the one where he's forced to take over in goal in the shoot-out and consequently saves the final penalty!

During the shootout, my mates were talking about what happens if goalkeeper is sent off during shootout. I said exactly, that, just stick Messi in goal. That would be hilarious, especially if he saves one and they win.

 

[Rlburnside]

Question: How do FIFA select the Golden Glove winner?

Martinez from Argentina won it. However, in world cup he conceded 2 against Saudi Arabia, 1 against Australia, 2 against Netherlands, 3 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 8 goals, avg 1.14 per game)

England conceded 2 against Iran, 2 against France and 3 clean sheets (total of 4 goals, avg of 0.8 per game).

Morocco conceded 1 against Canada, 2 against France and 4 clean sheets (total of 2 goals, avg 0.5 per game) - I think they might have had a different keeper for 1 game, but still impressive.

It’s quite simple really they just selected the award for a player in the final, nothing to do with who was best more about fifa thinking they will get a better presentation ceremony.

Cringeworthy ceremony with Infantino taking so long to hand Messi the World Cup then dressing Messi up in a gown.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yes that’s the problem they have in Ladies football.
Anything in the corners they can’t reach it.

I saw a Newcastle game at St James a few weeks ago and all 3 goals were over the heads. Nothing special but if you shoot high it goes in. Really they need to reduce the goal size as at the moment that type of goal becomes a bit like kids football and it does the women a disservice. It wont happen, the expense and storage rule it out, but I think it is a shame.

 

[clubchamp98]

During the shootout, my mates were talking about what happens if goalkeeper is sent off during shootout. I said exactly, that, just stick Messi in goal. That would be hilarious, especially if he saves one and they win.

And you think my idea is mad
At least then they could give Messi the golden gloves as well!

 

[clubchamp98]

I saw a Newcastle game at St James a few weeks ago and all 3 goals were over the heads. Nothing special but if you shoot high it goes in. Really they need to reduce the goal size as at the moment that type of goal becomes a bit like kids football and it does the women a disservice. It wont happen, the expense and storage rule it out, but I think it is a shame.

Problem there is if you get a girl whose 6’2” in the future it’s like a five a side goal to her.
Some of My daughters friends are tall so the girls are out there.
They just don’t play footy.
Scouts will be out for sure as it would stop a lot of very average goals as you say.

 

[Swango1980]

And you think my idea is mad
At least then they could give Messi the golden gloves as well!

Indeed. But, at least I know I was being tongue in cheek when I said it

 

[clubchamp98]

Indeed. But, at least I know I was being tongue in cheek when I said it

Yes but you still said it.
And as you know that will be held against you on here.
Not a lot of difference thinking out loud in the pub and in print here.
But some really take it as gospel!

 

[Swango1980]

It’s quite simple really they just selected the award for a player in the final, nothing to do with who was best more about fifa thinking they will get a better presentation ceremony.

Cringeworthy ceremony with Infantino taking so long to hand Messi the World Cup then dressing Messi up in a gown.

I woke up this morning, thinking did that actually happen, or was it just a weird dream.

They dressed him in that robe, as they wanted the defining moment of lifting that trophy to be about Qatar. They simply couldn't let Messi and Argentina have their moment. If England had won the world cup, would be interesting what the English population would feel. Would they have been happy, or would they want the photos to have Kane lifting the trophy, with his England shirt and Three Lions in full view?

Infantino looked like he wanted to be in the picture as long as possible, in his Ant and Dec clothing. Think it was Shearer who said nobody marked Messi that closely all night

 

[Swango1980]

Yes but you still said it.
And as you know that will be held against you on here.
Not a lot of difference thinking out loud in the pub and in print here.
But some really take it as gospel!

I'm sure if you clarified that your comments on penalties were tongue in cheek, all would be forgiven / understood. I think the issue is that you said it, and then made numerous follow up posts defending your point of view. Those posts seem to clarify it wasn't tongue in cheek after all.

 

[clubchamp98]

I'm sure if you clarified that your comments on penalties were tongue in cheek, all would be forgiven / understood. I think the issue is that you said it, and then made numerous follow up posts defending your point of view. Those posts seem to clarify it wasn't tongue in cheek after all.

No it wasn’t.
I belive a goalscorer scores open play goals inc free kicks while the whole teams are involved.
A few decent penalties dosnt make you a top goalscorer.
That’s my view.
Many don’t agree that’s fine.

 

[clubchamp98]

I woke up this morning, thinking did that actually happen, or was it just a weird dream.

They dressed him in that robe, as they wanted the defining moment of lifting that trophy to be about Qatar. They simply couldn't let Messi and Argentina have their moment. If England had won the world cup, would be interesting what the English population would feel. Would they have been happy, or would they want the photos to have Kane lifting the trophy, with his England shirt and Three Lions in full view?

Infantino looked like he wanted to be in the picture as long as possible, in his Ant and Dec clothing. Think it was Shearer who said nobody marked Messi that closely all night

Should Messi have simply said NO.?
Was it planned in advance.?
Very strange.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I woke up this morning, thinking did that actually happen, or was it just a weird dream.

They dressed him in that robe, as they wanted the defining moment of lifting that trophy to be about Qatar. They simply couldn't let Messi and Argentina have their moment. If England had won the world cup, would be interesting what the English population would feel. Would they have been happy, or would they want the photos to have Kane lifting the trophy, with his England shirt and Three Lions in full view?

Infantino looked like he wanted to be in the picture as long as possible, in his Ant and Dec clothing. Think it was Shearer who said nobody marked Messi that closely all night

Isn't Messi something to do with Qatar? Like an ambassador or something?

Plus he is employed by psg who are owned by Qatar

 

[Swango1980]

Should Messi have simply said NO.?
Was it planned in advance.?
Very strange.

I would have liked it if Messi had taken it off immediately. But, maybe as pauljames says, he probably has links to Qatar that mean he was happy enough to do what he did, regardless of what Argentines felt.

 

[Swango1980]

No it wasn’t.
I belive a goalscorer scores open play goals inc free kicks while the whole teams are involved.
A few decent penalties dosnt make you a top goalscorer.
That’s my view.
Many don’t agree that’s fine.

But, a goal is a goal. Surely it is simply a matter of fact.

If there was an award for most clean sheets, they don't ignore penalties. If I put a bet down that a team will get a clean sheet, the betting company won't pay out if keeper concedes a penalty. They will pay out if my first goal scorer gets a penalty. If anyone put a bet on Di Maria to score the first goal last night, they cannot claim any winnings by saying Messi's penalty should not count.

A goal is a goal. If you are a top goal scorer, and really desire to win the Golden Boot, then being the teams nominated penalty taker would help. If you are not the nominated penalty taker, then maybe you are not really a truly great goal scorer anyway. If James Milner or a goalkeeper was preferred on penalty duty, maybe the striker does not deserve to be top of the goal scoring charts?

Out of interest, how many of the worlds truly great goal scorers of all time did not take penalties?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

But, a goal is a goal. Surely it is simply a matter of fact.

If there was an award for most clean sheets, they don't ignore penalties. If I put a bet down that a team will get a clean sheet, the betting company won't pay out if keeper concedes a penalty. They will pay out if my first goal scorer gets a penalty. If anyone put a bet on Di Maria to score the first goal last night, they cannot claim any winnings by saying Messi's penalty should not count.

A goal is a goal. If you are a top goal scorer, and really desire to win the Golden Boot, then being the teams nominated penalty taker would help. If you are not the nominated penalty taker, then maybe you are not really a truly great goal scorer anyway. If James Milner or a goalkeeper was preferred on penalty duty, maybe the striker does not deserve to be top of the goal scoring charts?

Out of interest, how many of the worlds truly great goal scorers of all time did not take penalties?

On that last point whilst Messi does his record with pens isn't the best, he misses a fair few

However he has the guts to back himself and that pen in the shoot out was pure confidence

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Problem there is if you get a girl whose 6’2” in the future it’s like a five a side goal to her.
Some of My daughters friends are tall so the girls are out there.
They just don’t play footy.
Scouts will be out for sure as it would stop a lot of very average goals as you say.

I get your point but I just don't think there are as many. Perhaps they need to go pinching women from the Olympic rowing teams?

 

[AmandaJR]

Usually I hate it when a big sporting event comes to a close...right now I'm the opposite. Some of it my general malaise with football (money/cheating etc) and some of it just the location and timing of this World Cup.

 

[pendodave]

Problem there is if you get a girl whose 6’2” in the future it’s like a five a side goal to her.
Some of My daughters friends are tall so the girls are out there.
They just don’t play footy.
Scouts will be out for sure as it would stop a lot of very average goals as you say.

I have no stats to back this up....(!) But I'd be willing to bet that when the dimensions of the goals were first formalised, the average male was quite a bit shorter than they are now, and probably not much different to the size of the women currently playing in goal.
It's not that women's goals need to be smaller, it's that men's need to be bigger.

Even a generation ago (think Jennings, Shilton, Clemence) 'keepers were several inches shorter with a significantly lesser wingspan.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I have no stats to back this up....(!) But I'd be willing to bet that when the dimensions of the goals were first formalised, the average male was quite a bit shorter than they are now, and probably not much different to the size of the women currently playing in goal.
It's not that women's goals need to be smaller, it's that men's need to be bigger.

Even a generation ago (think Jennings, Shilton, Clemence) 'keepers were several inches shorter with a significantly lesser wingspan.

Come on, Pat Jennings had the wingspan of a golden eagle, or did it just seem that way

I just googled those 3 incidentally. They were all 6ft dead on. Modest by today's standards but not short (Pickford is 6,1", Lloris is 6,2", average PL is 6,3")