2022 World Cup.

[Deleted member 15344]

It’s the World Cup of football. Once the decision as to venue is decided( which is nowt to do with the players, the Players are there to play football)
Why don’t you lay the fault at the proper place, which is the people who decided the venue.?
If they go out and get a yellow , then a red , for continuing their protest, their team chances are wrecked, probably their careers etc.
They are there to play football.
calling them cowards is not good.
Seems to me a bit ironic, you calling them cowards from behind a keyboard.
Would you do it to their faces?

No one is blaming the players for the World Cup going to Qatar - there has been plenty of discussion in regards FIFA about it

And why would a player’s career be wrecked because they took a stance and wore an armband ? It’s the same armband they have won many times before and it’s not caused an issue ?

There were many ways for the teams to show solidarity and put actions behind their words

Iran players put a lot more on the line when they made their protest and they are footballers

And yes I believe it’s gutless to make claims and then not follow through with them when it mattered.

 

[Swango1980]

Yes lots of talk before hand and especially from England and Wales FA - yet when it came down to action from their talk they bottled it under a threat a yellow card

The Iran players risked far much more yet they had the courage to go through their convictions

what we saw is both the Wales and England FA or indeed any other FA who were very vocal about wearing the armband is that they didn’t have the courage to go with their convictions



So basically we all care about human rights but not if it gets in the way of a football match or a player playing well - human rights etc aren’t as important as a team playing well

The players did a lot of talking about standing up to the issues but it seems it was just talk and when the time came to put actions to their words - something was more important to them.

It’s no surprise that no one single top level player has come out at gay - they clearly know they wouldn’t be backed by their fellow pros



And that last comment pretty much sums you up - it’s got nothing to do with any club , my opinion would be no different if Henderson was captain and he did the same as Kane

Absolutely, my last comment DOES sum me up. It sums up my opinion on YOU, which I get from your constant posts on the various threads in this forum.

You cannot compare the England players wearing an arm band with the likes of the Iranian players or Muhammed Ali. The key difference is that the issues they took a stance against were issues that directly impact upon them and their community. There is a bigger message sent out when the people taking a stance identify with the cause they are highlighting (the Iranian players also did not risk any punishment from FIFA). England players have been taking the knee for ages, but you can happily ignore what that stands for, because now they are not taking a stance against some other wrong in the world. Personally, I would have had no issue with England players wearing armbands, but I have no issue with them not doing so either. The negatives can be that the people they are trying to send the message to actually respect it less, because all it appears to be is virtue signalling from people that are not impacted by, and therefore ignorant of the broader situation. It dilutes the message, and might even cause more harm than good?

Sports players do not behave in a manner fitting for Liverpoolphil. Or for me. They may live on a different world to most of us in terms of everyday life tasks and common sense (although, to be fair, many of them are teenagers / young men still). But, I also suspect they are exposed to much broader issues in life, as they have to watch every word they say more carefully than us, and they are exposed to many more different people / charities and asked of their opinion on many issues. Out of pure probablility, I'd be very confident in saying that it is unlikely Liverpoolphil has more integrity / a more decent human being (out of anybody's general metrics in defining such a thing) than every single England player and staff member. I suspect many would consider them as "better" people, whatever that means, than you. Perhaps they don't spend their lives judging others on social media, and act all righteous?

I seem to remember in the early days of the LIV debate, you were very vocal about sport washing. I don't mind that debate in general, but you took it to another level. You informed us, if I remember rightly, that you had family members that were huge F1 fans, and they refused to watch the Abu Dabi Grand Prix purely due to their outrages in the human rights issues in the Middle East. You seemed to pass that comment off as if we should all follow the same principle, as if it is the right thing to do. And, therefore, LIV fans were almost meant to feel guilty if they enjoyed LIV, as they would somehow be supporting all aspects of life in the Middle East.

However, I bet you are watching the World Cup, now that it suits you? Do you watch the golf in Dubai? Do you not think you come across as a hypocrite? Some are calling footballers hypocrites, but at least they still wanted to wear the armband, but were effectively being forced to not do so. They were jointly asked by the football authorities of several countries, and agreed. So, if one comes out now and wears one, it goes against the other authorities, and makes other people look a bit silly. But, I assume no one is forcing you to watch the World Cup?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Seriously have a day off ?‍
Or at least a few days,I’m sure there will be something to criticise and bang on about on Friday at 7pm???

 

[Neilds]

Seriously have a day off ?‍
Or at least a few days,I’m sure there will be something to criticise and bang on about on Friday at 7pm???

Post of the day

 

[GB72]

OK, so is everyone going to pile on Belgium now. Not only are they not wearing the armband but they have changed their away strip to remove the word 'love' from inside the collar and may not wear their training shirts as they celebrate a festival based around diversity. All, of course, at FIFA's request. What they have said is that nations may have to consider their relationship with FIFA after the World Cup and that seems to me to be what we need, the FA to say that they have agreed to follow the requirements of FIFA against their wishes but will be looking into their relationship with FIFA after the tournament as clearly FIFA has failed the read the room on the feelings of many nations. FIFA may be taking a hard stance to keep Qatar happy but I suspect that the repercussions of that will run on for long after the tournament ends.

This is an issue well above and much bigger than the players themselves who will, to a large extent, be following the instructions of the FA

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK, so is everyone going to pile on Belgium now. Not only are they not wearing the armband but they have changed their away strip to remove the word 'love' from inside the collar and may not wear their training shirts as they celebrate a festival based around diversity. All, of course, at FIFA's request. What they have said is that nations may have to consider their relationship with FIFA after the World Cup and that seems to me to be what we need, the FA to say that they have agreed to follow the requirements of FIFA against their wishes but will be looking into their relationship with FIFA after the tournament as clearly FIFA has failed the read the room on the feelings of many nations. FIFA may be taking a hard stance to keep Qatar happy but I suspect that the repercussions of that will run on for long after the tournament ends.

This is an issue well above and much bigger than the players themselves who will, to a large extent, be following the instructions of the FA

the FA’s from all over the world should have done this before - but FIFA as they do are doing this all last minute

All those FIFA promises about how fans will be treated and the country will welcome all from all over the world and not have issues with someone over their choice of lifestyle as we see in the modern world.

it’s just like the alcohol ban - last minute because they know the FAs and fans are already there

Just look at the presidents speech - one minute he is saying how he is with everyone but the next minute he tells the FA’s the opposite

The hypocrisy stinks , and it’s starts from the bare faced corruption from FIFA clearly highlighted with all those that voted to have the World Cup in Qatar have either been found guilty of corruption or suspected

The World Cup used to be a wonderful sporting occasion- right now it’s one big sportswashing exercise and it’s working.

The only hope is that FA’s from around the world do something but i suspect not when money gets dished around.

 

[GB72]

the FA’s from all over the world should have done this before - but FIFA as they do are doing this all last minute

All those FIFA promises about how fans will be treated and the country will welcome all from all over the world and not have issues with someone over their choice of lifestyle as we see in the modern world.

it’s just like the alcohol ban - last minute because they know the FAs and fans are already there

Just look at the presidents speech - one minute he is saying how he is with everyone but the next minute he tells the FA’s the opposite

The hypocrisy stinks , and it’s starts from the bare faced corruption from FIFA clearly highlighted with all those that voted to have the World Cup in Qatar have either been found guilty of corruption or suspected

The World Cup used to be a wonderful sporting occasion- right now it’s one big sportswashing exercise and it’s working.

The only hope is that FA’s from around the world do something but i suspect not when money gets dished around.

How is it working exactly. What I see is more headlines and comments about the heavy handed approach being taken, the spurious attendance figures, the backtracking etc than I do on the football. I would suggest that, as far as sportswashing is concerned, it is one of the worst efforts so far. The media have their angle and they are all now looking for more stories to bolster that. I have more stories on my timeline about the former welsh women's captain being made to remove her LGBT+ supporting bucket hat and the US jounalist being asked to remove his similarly branded t shirt than I have about the football. In fact, I would suggest that the coverage about being banned from wearing the armband has had almost as bigh an impact as actually wearing it as it is showin the leadership in their true colours and FIFA as their lapdogs. To successfully sportswash they needed no controversy, a more liberal image to the outside world and eveyone to have had a good time at a celebration of football. So far that has failed on all fronts.

Sadly, I suspect that there will be action from the FAs in Europe at least but it will be a power grab as they have always felt they should be the dominant force in FIFA, rather then any action based on true moral feeling.

 

[Swango1980]

OMG, has anyone seen the VAR review in Argentina game, that awarded them a penalty. Almost exactly the same as the Maguire incident yesterday. In fact, I think Maguire was man handled to a much greater extent than the Argentine player. You'd have though given referees plenty of time and camera angles to review decisions, would greatly reduce inconsistencies in decisions. Seems not to be the case, or certainly not as much as I'd expect.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

OMG, has anyone seen the VAR review in Argentina game, that awarded them a penalty. Almost exactly the same as the Maguire incident yesterday. In fact, I think Maguire was man handled to a much greater extent than the Argentine player. You'd have though given referees plenty of time and camera angles to review decisions, would greatly reduce inconsistencies in decisions. Seems not to be the case, or certainly not as much as I'd expect.

Yes was less of and with Harry wasn't stones being pulled down simultaneously? Was two fouls . Imo ofc

 

[Aztecs27]

OMG, has anyone seen the VAR review in Argentina game, that awarded them a penalty. Almost exactly the same as the Maguire incident yesterday. In fact, I think Maguire was man handled to a much greater extent than the Argentine player. You'd have though given referees plenty of time and camera angles to review decisions, would greatly reduce inconsistencies in decisions. Seems not to be the case, or certainly not as much as I'd expect.

Absolutely abysmal implementation of Video Assisted Refereeing

 

[Old Skier]

OMG, has anyone seen the VAR review in Argentina game, that awarded them a penalty. Almost exactly the same as the Maguire incident yesterday. In fact, I think Maguire was man handled to a much greater extent than the Argentine player. You'd have though given referees plenty of time and camera angles to review decisions, would greatly reduce inconsistencies in decisions. Seems not to be the case, or certainly not as much as I'd expect.

VAR team had gone out for a beer.

 

[Old Skier]

Love all the extra time. Perhaps the directive was to take into account all the play acting going on.

 

[Rlburnside]

I noticed Alex

Many other sports stars have taken a stance - the Iran footballers took a stance knowing that it could cost them a lot more than a yellow card.

This World Cup is one huge sportswashing campaign and there is a huge opportunity for people to say no and challenge it

The English FA were very vocal about wearing the armband - yet a thread of a yellow card and they bottled it , all that talk gone. They didn’t “make their point” - when they had the platform to make their point they backed down.

Gutless but no surprise really when it’s the FA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594786348283662354

This women has more bottle than any of them

Also as I said in the footie thread at least Alex Scott stood by her principles and wore the one love armband.

 

[AmandaJR]

Souness vs Keane

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How is it working exactly. What I see is more headlines and comments about the heavy handed approach being taken, the spurious attendance figures, the backtracking etc than I do on the football. I would suggest that, as far as sportswashing is concerned, it is one of the worst efforts so far. The media have their angle and they are all now looking for more stories to bolster that. I have more stories on my timeline about the former welsh women's captain being made to remove her LGBT+ supporting bucket hat and the US jounalist being asked to remove his similarly branded t shirt than I have about the football. In fact, I would suggest that the coverage about being banned from wearing the armband has had almost as bigh an impact as actually wearing it as it is showin the leadership in their true colours and FIFA as their lapdogs. To successfully sportswash they needed no controversy, a more liberal image to the outside world and eveyone to have had a good time at a celebration of football. So far that has failed on all fronts.

Sadly, I suspect that there will be action from the FAs in Europe at least but it will be a power grab as they have always felt they should be the dominant force in FIFA, rather then any action based on true moral feeling.

The fact it’s going on and people want to just “concentrate” on the football imo shows that it will work as a sportswashing exercise

I’ll give it about 5 mins after the event has finished and it will all be forgotten - shame as it was the perfect stage

Some have stood up - Alex Scott for example , and hopefully others will continue to ensure that that we never see events going there of this scale until the region ( or any region ) drag themselves into modern society

And that should be the same for any society that doesn’t treat all the same

I noticed Alex


Also as I said in the footie thread at least Alex Scott stood by her principles and wore the one love armband.

Yep spot on - she may get fired or sent home etc but she at least stood up for her beliefs.

 

[Orikoru]

Souness vs Keane

Was hilariously petty. I was hoping they'd come to blows.

 

[srixon 1]

Souness vs Keane

Keane is a first class ? end. Souness not far behind.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Be interesting to see what Bellinghams valued at after the tournament.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I noticed Alex


Also as I said in the footie thread at least Alex Scott stood by her principles and wore the one love armband.

I noticed her a lot

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The fact it’s going on and people want to just “concentrate” on the football imo shows that it will work as a sportswashing exercise

I’ll give it about 5 mins after the event has finished and it will all be forgotten - shame as it was the perfect stage

Some have stood up - Alex Scott for example , and hopefully others will continue to ensure that that we never see events going there of this scale until the region ( or any region ) drag themselves into modern society

And that should be the same for any society that doesn’t treat all the same



Yep spot on - she may get fired or sent home etc but she at least stood up for her beliefs.

She won't get fired, why would a UK broadcaster fire her? FIFA may remove her accreditation but that will do her no harm, she can just go into a studio then. It's a free hit for her, not at all comparable to the players.