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I know what SG is, but what I don't know is what data it's based on.

So someone hits it off the tee (400 yards from the hole) and they are 80 yards away in the rough. Do they get the same SG applied to that shot at the PGA championship as they would to the same numbers at the Rocket Mortgage?

I believe that's what they do. There's a table that says 400 yards, tee box, 4.03 shots. 399 yards, tee box, 4.02 shots etc. They don't reload the data for ever week or every venue.

If so, SG is flawed. Especially at a major when the test is set up that much stiffer with firmer greens especially. The firm greens massively placed the emphasis on accuracy as you had to be not only in the fairway, but on the correct side of the fairway. As we saw with Brooks, bomb and gouge wasn't an effective strategy.

Also - Morikawa won by 3 shots, so that was 2 putts he didn't actually have to make that just gave him a cushion.

You're way off. It's calculated per round, per event, in comparison with the rest of the field on that day

Also, he only won by two ??‍♂️
 

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I thought the coverage was as dull as the course.... Turned off on round 3 and didn't bother with round 4! I guess it's really missing the crowd. One day......
 

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I thought the coverage was as dull as the course.... Turned off on round 3 and didn't bother with round 4! I guess it's really missing the crowd. One day......
It's better without the crowd (hearing the caddie interaction is excellent - as is the swearing), course was a good challenge and it was tight as a tight thing until the wonder shot from Morikawa.

Guess we all have different tastes.
 

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Lol maybe. Even the highlights were dull, however. I'm glad the Ryder cup was cancelled.... Tell me that would be"exciting" without the crowd....
 

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You're way off. It's calculated per round, per event, in comparison with the rest of the field on that day

Also, he only won by two ??‍♂️

How do you know that?
I think that's very unlikely as it would lead to fairly small sample sizes and huge variations from week to week.

Edit - the strokes gained is based on the average at all PGA Tour measured rounds. So it does have a bias towards 'easier' set ups week to week, that will traditionally have less penal rough, softer greens and lower scoring. Therefore Morikawa is not going to have 'gained' as many strokes on the field off the tee for being accurate.

PGA Tour SG Explained
 
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Lol maybe. Even the highlights were dull, however. I'm glad the Ryder cup was cancelled.... Tell me that would be"exciting" without the crowd....
If you'd have watched the final you've have seen an extraordinary day of golf where as many as 7 or 8 players were in the running and any one of them could have taken the initiative to win it.

I don't understand how a crowd being there or not makes a blind bit of difference when I'm watching it on the TV. I'm still watching golfers at the pinnacle of the game hitting shots I dream about. And to be fair there was a smattering of people watching and applauding around the greens for the golfers to acknowledge, just less than usual. It's not like it was stony silence.

As someone else said I like being able to hear the conversation with the caddy as well.
 

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The crowd does add something, especially to a final day of a major, I just think there's a buzz and an tense atmosphere as things start to unfold that isn't there when the crowd is absence. Similarly, hitting a hole in one is a bit subdued.

As for the major, was hoping for Day or Casey, in that order, but that on 16th to seal it was outstanding and well deserved. Talented player. But really I was just happy it wasn't Bryson or Brooks!
 

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I don't really watch sports, but they had the replay on Monday after while I was on the treadmill. I watched for about 20 minutes. Loved that course......and it was even nicer without the crowds in my opinion. Not the same....I can understand that. But that is a course that I would love to play.
 

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Since restart I've placed a few pocket money bets, and it's been uncanny how many of them have been leading or well placed after 3 rounds only to stumble just outside of the places.
I just made one bet for the Wyndham and just looked at the leaderboard. Anyone want to guess who it was?
Sorry fella your race is run!
 

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Since restart I've placed a few pocket money bets, and it's been uncanny how many of them have been leading or well placed after 3 rounds only to stumble just outside of the places.
I just made one bet for the Wyndham and just looked at the leaderboard. Anyone want to guess who it was?
Sorry fella your race is run!


poor old Harold lol

Broadhurst in the seniors the recipient of my bok this week
 

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I can't link to it at the moment, but there's a video on Twitter of Jordan on the range at the tournament today...
Comes with free (lack of) trigger warning.
 

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How do you know that?
I think that's very unlikely as it would lead to fairly small sample sizes and huge variations from week to week.

Edit - the strokes gained is based on the average at all PGA Tour measured rounds. So it does have a bias towards 'easier' set ups week to week, that will traditionally have less penal rough, softer greens and lower scoring. Therefore Morikawa is not going to have 'gained' as many strokes on the field off the tee for being accurate.

PGA Tour SG Explained

Yes, but it still compares every player against each other in every aspect of their game, per round and per event. It obviously has a baseline!

If you add all the SG from each measure, you'd find Morikawa gained 0.5 of a shot vs Casey per round.

As Fundy said, it wasn't his usual accuracy that seperated him last week. Whilst it was good, it wasn't nearly the best.
 

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Damn, got to feel for him, must be so frustrating playing the level of golf he has, where he was one of the leading players on Tour across basically every category in terms of strokes gained to now where he's struggling big time. I hope he manages to turn it around, big fan of Spieth.
 

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Ouch!

Not professional but not going to start a new thread for the US Amateur Champs that's on at the moment… That ‘caddie’ will not be getting much work for the rest of the season

For those that didn’t see it, match-play format all tied on 18th up to the green, players ball is in green-side bunker
While the player is doing practice swings outside the bunker his caddie pops into the bunker, kneels down and rubs his hand across the sand to test the surface, opponents caddie sees him do it and calls rules official over. Overhead TV footage shows it clearly (although the caddie initially denied it)
Penalty - loss of hole, loses match 1 down.
Tough way to lose

Guilty Caddie was a local guy to the course and not known to the player
 

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Ouch!

Not professional but not going to start a new thread for the US Amateur Champs that's on at the moment… That ‘caddie’ will not be getting much work for the rest of the season

For those that didn’t see it, match-play format all tied on 18th up to the green, players ball is in green-side bunker
While the player is doing practice swings outside the bunker his caddie pops into the bunker, kneels down and rubs his hand across the sand to test the surface, opponents caddie sees him do it and calls rules official over. Overhead TV footage shows it clearly (although the caddie initially denied it)
Penalty - loss of hole, loses match 1 down.
Tough way to lose

Guilty Caddie was a local guy to the course and not known to the player
How awful.
Mind you , I'm surprised he got to 18 without picking up his ball from 5 feet and saying "thats good, right?". #quickrake.
 
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