20+ yards EXTRA on your drives GUARANTEED!!!!!!! (or your money back!!)

Dave B said:
To achieve 90 degrees shoulder rotation on the back swing my hips turn by approx 25 degrees leaving 65 degrees shoulder rotation.

In addition the plane of the shaft which was on a neutral horzontal plane has moved up 5 degrees on my right side at the top of the swing, (I'm right handed). This equates to around a 1.5 inch leg extension as I brace against my back leg.

At impact the plane of the shaft is back at the neutral horizontal position which theoretically is ideal as the club should be in the ideal position for an accurate strike out of the centre of the club, (I've had to use a slow motion swing using my normal shift of balance).

On the follow through the angle of the shaft on the left hip is 10 degrees raised giving close to two inches of leg extension on the front leg.

Try as I might I find I cannot rotate my shoulders to 90 degrees without rotating my hips. As soons as you start to raise your arms everything else falls into place.

My question is what is the typical hip to shoulder rotation ratio, (I can see verybody in their front rooms with a shaft wedged into their trolleys and their wives thinking they are barking mad).

In addition given that I found 1 inch extension on the back swing, no extension on impact and 2 inches extension on the follow through, am I doing something wrong or am I a typical amateur who should be happy with 230- 250 yd drives which generally land on the fairway.
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Dave, the shoulder rotation is smoke and mirrors... it takes ages to explain in writing. The spine HATES to be twisted, a person can turn their shoulders maybe 40° (45° at most) to their hips without smoke and mirrors. I'm a pretty flexible guy, I can turn my shoulders 40° to my hips yet I can rotate my shoulders 140° from their starting position....go figure :p. I'll try and get it all on vid as that's a lot easier than typing pages and pages of complicated 'smoke and mirrors' explaination.

With regards to extension, if you're not seeing your belt buckle raise by (and through) impact then you are not necessarily extending to your capabilities. As shown in the pics I posted you can see 4" gains or more.
 
I think the more you hit balls the more you naturally learn to use your legs/ hips etc.
Its the natural learning we posess. I find that my drives have increased in distance constantly the more I play over the years with better technique learned from just watching pros on tv and honing my game at the range.
Ok some of us may need a little direction along the way. But I think I do this to a reasonable extent anyway without realising it. Its something that just develops into your game as you get used to hitting the you just try what feels better and then start to slowly change your style...(Maybe not to the same degree as a pro though!)
 
I'm famous!!

That shot was a hungover, wild slash of my normal efforts but wow! I was pretty much airbourne.


Interesting thread though James. I generally put the bulk of the extra speed over the average down to 'pushing' or 'clearing' my hips through faster than the average but I say this is a result of working on restricting my hip movement on my backswing (I like to work on keeping a soild base) and my weight transfer (especially through impact). I do have a very stong lower body which helps me generate the same weight transfer as some of the 'big guns' I guess just with a lot less finesse!

I'm getting some stange looks at work trying to figure some of the movements out so I'll have to try it out later on!

Interesting stuff mate.
 
LOL Swinger.... the difference between 'feel' and 'real' is amazing...

I'll post a couple of pics of your swing later and tell you what is REALLY going on, you'll be shocked I'm sure.... :D What you do IS very interesting though.

feel and real buddy,..... feel and real!
 
JustOne said:
LOL Swinger.... the difference between 'feel' and 'real' is amazing...

I'll post a couple of pics of your swing later and tell you what is REALLY going on, you'll be shocked I'm sure.... :D What you do IS very interesting though.

feel and real buddy,..... feel and real!
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Haha!! Sounds like I might be in for a surprise or two then!!

Not sure if I should be looking forward to it but I'll stay positive for now!

Feel and Real! :D
 
I see this months GM has a feature on McIlroys hip movement, anyone seen it? is it about this subject?
 
richart said:
Not sure we are looking forward to it, if it means seeing that hat again.:whistle:
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Do you have a preferance to which one I wear next time we tee it up Rich?

I find the hat in question helps my fellow playing partners as the tassels act like a wind vane and the winds at blackmoor can be tricky to judge.
 
Swinger said:
Do you have a preferance to which one I wear next time we tee it up Rich?

I find the hat in question helps my fellow playing partners as the tassels act like a wind vane and the winds at blackmoor can be tricky to judge.
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Tassels on the golf course are a difficult look to pull off Steve:mmm:. Think they are better suited to lamp shades or exotic dancers.:rofl: Nowt wrong with a good flat cap though.:thup:
 
Swinger said:
Haha!! Sounds like I might be in for a surprise or two then!!

Not sure if I should be looking forward to it but I'll stay positive for now!

Feel and Real! :D
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LOL... believe it or not you are the key to this whole thread. Lucky you! :D

You are the final piece in the puzzle, the cherry on the top if you like. I am the CIA and you are Lee Harvey Oswald (sorry 'bout that!!) :ears:

As a prolific proven distance hitter on the forum I KNEW that you'd be airborne, I just needed to capture it on camera.... When I came to Blackmoor in the rain I didn't bring my camera to capture the clouds :) If I posted this thread and you or anyone else said "I don't do that" or "Swinger doesn't do that and he hits it miles" it would undermine the validity of the fact that pushing up (extending) makes you hit the ball further. I'm quite a long hitter and I do it, Snelly is a long hitter and he's said that he does it (with no prompting from me), you do it.. in fact the only one that doesn't get that far extended amongst our longer hitters is Pieman... but can you blame him? :D:whistle: he does extend..... he just doesn't get off the ground :rofl:


The things you said above about restricting your hips and your weight transfer are very appropriate.. and ironically so is the fact that you were hungover... it's RAW, it's exactly how most of us turn up to a medal on a Saturday morning after a late night and no warm up.... :)

I need to make some pics and draw a couple of lines (gotta make sure the FACTS are presented properly) LOL so I'll post later tonight... kids to look after... busy man, wouldn't you believe it :whistle:
 
richart said:
Tassels on the golf course are a difficult look to pull off Steve:mmm:. Think they are better suited to lamp shades or exotic dancers.:rofl: Nowt wrong with a good flat cap though.:thup:
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There's not many that could pull off a hat like Steve's....

Talking of flat caps, I have just joined the flat cap brigade. I got a rather fetching one for my recent b/day which will be making an appearance on the course in the near future.
 
JustOne said:
LOL... believe it or not you are the key to this whole thread. Lucky you! :D

You are the final piece in the puzzle, the cherry on the top if you like. I am the CIA and you are Lee Harvey Oswald (sorry 'bout that!!) :ears:

As a prolific proven distance hitter on the forum I KNEW that you'd be airborne, I just needed to capture it on camera.... When I came to Blackmoor in the rain I didn't bring my camera to capture the clouds :) If I posted this thread and you or anyone else said "I don't do that" or "Swinger doesn't do that and he hits it miles" it would undermine the validity of the fact that pushing up (extending) makes you hit the ball further. I'm quite a long hitter and I do it, Snelly is a long hitter and he's said that he does it (with no prompting from me), you do it.. in fact the only one that doesn't get that far extended amongst our longer hitters is Pieman... but can you blame him? :D:whistle: he does extend..... he just doesn't get off the ground :rofl:


The things you said above about restricting your hips and your weight transfer are very appropriate.. and ironically so is the fact that you were hungover... it's RAW, it's exactly how most of us turn up to a medal on a Saturday morning after a late night and no warm up.... :)

I need to make some pics and draw a couple of lines (gotta make sure the FACTS are presented properly) LOL so I'll post later tonight... kids to look after... busy man, wouldn't you believe it :whistle:
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The missing link!!

I'll look forward to the 'interesting' bits of my swing being broken down. I'll have tissues to hand just in case thats not all thats broken down by the end!

If we could just stress the fact that it was raining at Blackmoor, it was cold, it was windy, I was hungover, I had no warm up, I had lots of layers on and it was the first time I hit that driver! Thats all my excuses out of the way anyway!! Got to get them in early as a good golfer should.:)
 
GeneralStore said:
Great post and 11 out of 10 for enthusiasm
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Ha! Thanks, It just needed saying so I just fired it off as it came out :D




Swinger, I changed my mind, a strip down of your swing isn't necessary in the context of the thread.. suffice to say you jump off the ground! :)

If you want me to post some pics with your swing in the experts section let me know accordingly :thup:

James.
 
Swinger said:
If we could just stress the fact that it was raining at Blackmoor, it was cold, it was windy, I was hungover, I had no warm up, I had lots of layers on and it was the first time I hit that driver! Thats all my excuses out of the way anyway!! Got to get them in early as a good golfer should.:)
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Hold on, you were green high on a 330 yard hole into the wind.:confused: Just as well you were not fit and warmed up otherwise you would have been half way down the second.:whistle:
 
Ok so feedback on trying this at the range tonight.

As said previously I was really interested in the whole thing and particularly understanding the rhythm and turn.

Started off my normal drill and noticed that I naturally do the extension to a small extent with my short irons, however by understanding the whole thing a bit more I began exaggerating it a little and hey presto a few additional yards but more importantly a lot straighter shots from these irons.

Working through the bag and by the 6 iron I was feeling very comfortable and the shots stayed very straight.

I struggled a little more with the 5i and 4i and could not really get the same feeling on the swing.

Onto hybrid and 3 wood and found I was now having a real issue and topping the ball or slicing - probably my timing was out at this stage.

Onto the driver and teed up fairly high I gave it a real go. When I caught it right I reckon I was adding several yards - maybe 10 ish but probably not 20 yards but straighter again - well mainly.

I think for a first go this was pretty exciting progress.

Back to my lower irons and got the easier swing going again - this time I managed to carry on through the 5i and 4i.

Same troubles with the hybrid and 3 wood but managed to switch to my normal swing and was hitting them OK ish again.

Back to Driver and I could repeat the performance from earlier.

So overall very useful. Maybe some extra yards as said but for me more valuable was understanding this part of the swing more and feeling a lot more comfortable each time. It felt effortless in fact.

Game planned for Sunday morning so I have decided to head out for a practice round Saturday just to try it out a bit more in a non competitive round (although Sunday is just a roll up). If I can repeat this on the course I will be a happy bunny.

Thanks for the excellent post again

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My driving has been desperately bad recently, can’t remember even the last mediocre tee shot with the big stick, so I thought I’d give this a go at the range.

Bit of background first; just nicely back after 6 months out of the game with a shoulder injury, irons were desperately poor, bizarrely I have been hitting the fairway woods pretty well and chipping and putting like a God. I’m working on a few things with my pro to sort the irons out and that’s going really well so I won’t be trying this with the irons for now at least.

So to cut to the chase; warmed up and then pulled the driver out and had a couple of goes concentrating on trying to push up, horrible, almost missed the ball it was that far on the toe. So I altered my set up, moved a bit closer and tried again, a bit better, straight but off the top of the face. Another set up tweak, stood a little more upright at address and swing smooth, not really trying for any extra power or anything, just trying to get the feel for it; not good, again the strike is towards the toe, sets off straight then turns right – not bad for distance though all things considered.

Ok, so I move a little closer again, now feels like the ball is too close, but give it a nice smooth swing and again just concentrate on getting the legs to drive the hips forward and then push up. Now that’s more like it! Straight out of the sweetspot and a nice little push draw to boot! Hit a few more and I can honestly say that when I did hook everything up the ball striking, shape and I suspect distance, were as good as I’ve ever managed. :)

The last few balls I really ‘went for it’, the consistency suffered quite a bit which was no surprise, but man when it all came together…….!

I will definitely be persevering with this for the foreseeable. Cheers James, no money back claim here, consider yourself to have a beer already on my tab next time we meet up.

p.s. - can't verify as to whether or not there was 20 extra yards.....the ball was still in the air as it entered the dark....either it was travelling faster than the speed of light or more likely the lights are pants at the range!
 
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