wull
Tour Rookie
i've never really thought about it but now that you have mentioned it i may notice it out on the course now.
20+ yards EXTRA on your drives GUARANTEED!!!!!!! (or your money back!!)
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i've never really thought about it but now that you have mentioned it i may notice it out on the course now.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Snelly aren't those Leftie's old shoes? 
The more you do it Snelly the more natural it becomes. Anything new will be a conscious thought/feeling for a while.
The more you do it Snelly the more natural it becomes. Anything new will be a conscious thought/feeling for a while.
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Snelly
Guest
:rofl:
Thanks Murph! When in Rome and all that...... This was on a very warm day at the Atlantico course, Penha Longa near Lisbon. You mentioned you might be going there and if you do, this is worth a visit. A superb course. The hole in the picture is a belter. Par 5 downhill and the second shot (or 3rd) is over a lake. Not only that but the right hand side and rear of the green, are perfectly framed by a medival castle. It is very nice indeed. Good eating and drinking in Cascais too..
As for the outfit, slight faux pas with the brown shoes but never mind. I can't understand the white socks rule in golf. Looks ridiculous so I ignore it wherever possible.
Cheers,
Snelly.
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Alex1975
Guest
The harder you hit a ball the more spin it creates, it might go higher because of that but it shouldn't affect your launch angle.... if you do it well you might need a stiffer shaft to accommodate all that extra clubhead speed!
When not if.... thanks
DaveM
Tour Winner
Agree with you on the shaft bit. I have always used reg shafts. When I restarted golf this year, my distances where way down. I was starting to think ok must be getting near to senior shaft time (65 next month). But since getting my hand speed back(well nearly back), plus the hip drive though the ball. I have been fitted with "Dynamic gold XP S300" shafts in my new irons. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I could play a stiff shaft. But have never hit so straight or far. So it just goes to show. Dont think I would hit the woods with stiff shafts though.
DaveM
Tour Winner
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LOL cheeky sod,:rofl:
Bikky73
Assistant Pro
I'd probably stay bent and smack the ground
bigslice
Tour Winner
Snelly aren't those Leftie's old shoes?
The more you do it Snelly the more natural it becomes. Anything new will be a conscious thought/feeling for a while.
try powerofgolf.co.uk its all in the hips
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
quote: "Independent research PROVES that increased hip rotation is the ONLY way to increase distance."
The only way to actually increase the hip rotation though is with the legs... eg by pushing UP against the ground (not just 'straightening' the legs, and definitely not by trying to twist the hips open as fast as you can). The pushing motion will recover the left knee like greased lightening and align your hips correctly without twisting your lower back. Can't say that the device pictured there is something I'd pay £18 for.
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bigslice
Tour Winner
it starts at about 80 squid!!!
ive had two lessons recently and im told im not following through, so first he has got me turn my hips. once i got used to that he has me using my LEGS as they are the POWER CORE. i never really thought about my swing but now im trying to get that perfect pose after hitting the shot. seems to be working so far
ive had two lessons recently and im told im not following through, so first he has got me turn my hips. once i got used to that he has me using my LEGS as they are the POWER CORE. i never really thought about my swing but now im trying to get that perfect pose after hitting the shot. seems to be working so far
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
I'm all for core exercises (well not personally unless you include countless cups of tea and ciggies) so anything that's going to get you on the practice ground is great. If we don't exercise or stretch then we get stiff and that can cause injury. Watching the videos I can't really see how that device will help other than working the obliques, it's a pulling exercise and not really part of the extension power move. Probably an awesome thing to buy for the wife though 
bigslice
Tour Winner
lol, most of us dont warm up it normally takes me to the back nine to start ripping it. although i start last year to play sat nite in prep for sunday morn. i will this year try and warm up beforehand as i am a big stiffy.
Right! I've read through this complete thread twice (yes I'm a little slow)...and I'm liking it:thup:
I think its something all good players do subconsciously and they probably call it 'clearing the hips' or 'rotating the hips together with the chest' etc etc
However, it's always been conveyed as hip rotation which assumes a level rotation in my mind which it clearly isn't according to all the pics and video evidence.
I get a sore lower left back when I practice, I resist the turn to build torque then try and rotate the hips out the way to create that centripedal force. The few pics I have of my swing shocked me as my hips didnt seem to be moving much at all on the downswing leading to pulls, fats, high push fades etc so that made me try harder on hip rotation leading to miss-timing and sore lower left back again- vicious circle
I really like the idea of a different swing thought rather than 'rotate', and to then just start it off then let it go.
I need a visual swingthought to try this out at the range, pushing up isn't doing it for me so need to think of something else.
Also I need to video my swing as that will show me when it works and I'll see and feel the difference hopefully- and so will my back.
Excellent inciteful post JO:thup::thup:...........and its not S&T:smirk:
P.S love to hear comments from Bob and Jason Dransfield on this observation
I think its something all good players do subconsciously and they probably call it 'clearing the hips' or 'rotating the hips together with the chest' etc etc
However, it's always been conveyed as hip rotation which assumes a level rotation in my mind which it clearly isn't according to all the pics and video evidence.
I get a sore lower left back when I practice, I resist the turn to build torque then try and rotate the hips out the way to create that centripedal force. The few pics I have of my swing shocked me as my hips didnt seem to be moving much at all on the downswing leading to pulls, fats, high push fades etc so that made me try harder on hip rotation leading to miss-timing and sore lower left back again- vicious circle
I really like the idea of a different swing thought rather than 'rotate', and to then just start it off then let it go.
I need a visual swingthought to try this out at the range, pushing up isn't doing it for me so need to think of something else.
Also I need to video my swing as that will show me when it works and I'll see and feel the difference hopefully- and so will my back.
Excellent inciteful post JO:thup::thup:...........and its not S&T:smirk:
P.S love to hear comments from Bob and Jason Dransfield on this observation
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Bob doesn't do it in his swing, he's a rotator and probably not that long ( only seen him hit 2 shots ever and that was a shank and a fat)
No idea about Jason.. why not PM him?
The19thHole
Head Pro
An excellent read James, a top post.
I’ve always seen it as a Push Down, it’s almost like you’re about
to sit down and then the swing creates an extra whip like motion.
Will give it a go at the range tomorrow
I’ve always seen it as a Push Down, it’s almost like you’re about
to sit down and then the swing creates an extra whip like motion.
Will give it a go at the range tomorrow
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JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
An excellent read James, a top post.
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Will give it a go at the range tomorrow
Thanks
Wouldn't mind finding out how you get on.Dave B
Q-School Graduate
If you concentrate on twisting/releasing the hips, how do you bump them towards the target on release?
In addition where does shoulder rotation come into the equation, is there a magic formula i.e. 20% hips 70% shoulders?
Also if you have more flex in your knees which will theoretically give you more lift and leg extension will you get more distance?
In addition where does shoulder rotation come into the equation, is there a magic formula i.e. 20% hips 70% shoulders?
Also if you have more flex in your knees which will theoretically give you more lift and leg extension will you get more distance?
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Sorry, what do you mean 'bump them towards the target on release'?
Your hips should already be in motion towards the target in your downswing, in some cases players initiate the forward move before the backswing has even finished. Let's say you normally 'fire' your hips in rotation... do you concentrate on that? when would you start doing that? It's no different to saying push your hips UP, except UP happens to be the more powerful of the two movements as it uses the buttock, thigh and calf muscles. Our hips should already be beginning to rotate before we hit the ball, the extension [or pushing up] just accelerates that rotation. I'm not sure if that clarifies anything for you as I'm not sure what you're getting at... I'm not concentrating on twisting or releasing the hips at all, I'm only concentrating on hitting the ball and the push up of the hips is just part of my 'motion'.
20% hips what? Again I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. Are you talking about power, rotation, openess to the target, x-factor? At impact the hips should probably be about 20-40° open and the shoulders 0-20° but that is an individual measure for each golfer and also dependant on the shot they are going to hit. Again I'm not sure if that's what you're after?
How much do you use your shoulders when you just try and spin your hips??? Is it measurable
Yes and no. There's an optimum depth of knee bend an individual can get to when they actually become unable to push back up sufficiently quickly. However the faster and higher you extend into impact and beyond (accelerating through point of contact) would translate into faster clubhead speed and therefore more distance. Some players literally push into the air whilst others only push sufficiently hard to push the pelvis up and extend.
I'd suggest (as in the thread) that you watch the Shawn Clement video and take it from there. He uses an analogy of a child on a swing which seems quite straight forward. Sorry Dave if I've misunderstood your questions, perhaps you'd like to clarify them?
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Dave B
Q-School Graduate
James.
l didn't explain myself very well in my last post but I've been experimenting using an old golf shaft pushed through both the front and rear loops of my trousers to try and work out how much hip rotation I get on the back swing and follow through, in addition to the percieved amout of leg extension.
The shaft used is a pulled driver shaft which will amplify and movements. It is also very tight so that there are no anomalies.
To achieve 90 degrees shoulder rotation on the back swing my hips turn by approx 25 degrees leaving 65 degrees shoulder rotation.
In addition the plane of the shaft which was on a neutral horzontal plane has moved up 5 degrees on my right side at the top of the swing, (I'm right handed). This equates to around a 1.5 inch leg extension as I brace against my back leg.
At impact the plane of the shaft is back at the neutral horizontal position which theoretically is ideal as the club should be in the ideal position for an accurate strike out of the centre of the club, (I've had to use a slow motion swing using my normal shift of balance).
On the follow through the angle of the shaft on the left hip is 10 degrees raised giving close to two inches of leg extension on the front leg.
Try as I might I find I cannot rotate my shoulders to 90 degrees without rotating my hips. As soons as you start to raise your arms everything else falls into place.
My question is what is the typical hip to shoulder rotation ratio, (I can see verybody in their front rooms with a shaft wedged into their trolleys and their wives thinking they are barking mad).
In addition given that I found 1 inch extension on the back swing, no extension on impact and 2 inches extension on the follow through, am I doing something wrong or am I a typical amateur who should be happy with 230- 250 yd drives which generally land on the fairway.
I'm pretty sure that trying to achieve any further extension would change both the mechanics and tempo of my swing which would not only lose distance but accuracy as well.
I'll agree that leg extension may be a factor but in the lessons I've had it has never once been mentioned as I've always been told to take away smoothly, accelerate from the top and transfer weight while going into a smooth follow through.
The mechanics take place naturally therefore are we analysing the swing too deeply?
l didn't explain myself very well in my last post but I've been experimenting using an old golf shaft pushed through both the front and rear loops of my trousers to try and work out how much hip rotation I get on the back swing and follow through, in addition to the percieved amout of leg extension.
The shaft used is a pulled driver shaft which will amplify and movements. It is also very tight so that there are no anomalies.
To achieve 90 degrees shoulder rotation on the back swing my hips turn by approx 25 degrees leaving 65 degrees shoulder rotation.
In addition the plane of the shaft which was on a neutral horzontal plane has moved up 5 degrees on my right side at the top of the swing, (I'm right handed). This equates to around a 1.5 inch leg extension as I brace against my back leg.
At impact the plane of the shaft is back at the neutral horizontal position which theoretically is ideal as the club should be in the ideal position for an accurate strike out of the centre of the club, (I've had to use a slow motion swing using my normal shift of balance).
On the follow through the angle of the shaft on the left hip is 10 degrees raised giving close to two inches of leg extension on the front leg.
Try as I might I find I cannot rotate my shoulders to 90 degrees without rotating my hips. As soons as you start to raise your arms everything else falls into place.
My question is what is the typical hip to shoulder rotation ratio, (I can see verybody in their front rooms with a shaft wedged into their trolleys and their wives thinking they are barking mad).
In addition given that I found 1 inch extension on the back swing, no extension on impact and 2 inches extension on the follow through, am I doing something wrong or am I a typical amateur who should be happy with 230- 250 yd drives which generally land on the fairway.
I'm pretty sure that trying to achieve any further extension would change both the mechanics and tempo of my swing which would not only lose distance but accuracy as well.
I'll agree that leg extension may be a factor but in the lessons I've had it has never once been mentioned as I've always been told to take away smoothly, accelerate from the top and transfer weight while going into a smooth follow through.
The mechanics take place naturally therefore are we analysing the swing too deeply?
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DaveM
Tour Winner
Think you are over analizing all this. your hips should be open about 30-40* at impact or you will have no room for your arms and end up blocking to the right( if right handed).
