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Isn't this simply called clearing the hips and hitting into a left side? Clearing the hips properly gives a straight left side which raises the apparent belt height but not the head height. Pushing off the ground doesn't seem the right way to describe it...this is forcing an action that should be a natural consequence of good mechanics. My opinion ;)
 
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Piece said:
Isn't this simply called clearing the hips and hitting into a left side? Clearing the hips properly gives a straight left side which raises the apparent belt height but not the head height. Pushing off the ground doesn't seem the right way to describe it...this is forcing an action that should be a natural consequence of good mechanics. My opinion ;)
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No, it's called extension. You force the hips to clear with the legs pushing upwards and not by trying to rotate them super fast (which is pointless) it also keeps you connected (you don't leave the arms half an hour behind your hips). Your head height doesn't change significantly as you are tilted to your left in the backswing, bent forwards at impact and tilted to your right on the follow through.
 
Great stuff JO. This may sound a bit strange but I've always thought that it looked like pro's do something like this. It's always seemed to my untrained eye that they push themselves away from the ground but I've always assumed it 's just a optical illusion and since NO teacher I have ever spoken to has ever said anything along these lines I guess I've never thought anything of it.

Not sure I have the strength or fitness to attempt it but interesting none the less.
 
On the contrary, it puts far less strain on the body that trying to twist your hips open..... It takes no real strength or fitness.. you can straighten your legs can't you? :ears:
 
Post of the year! Very interesting!

Two questions please. Is this just with the driver as its hitting up on the ball? How do you hit the ball consistently with the change in height?

Off to swing a club in the garden to try and feel it out.
 
Alex1975 said:
Post of the year! Very interesting!

Two questions please. Is this just with the driver as its hitting up on the ball? How do you hit the ball consistently with the change in height?

Off to swing a club in the garden to try and feel it out.
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That's a great question..(and thanks for the sentiment). It's all clubs, but it has to do with intent. There was a thread about grip pressure and my answer to that is the same as Shawn Clement's you grip the club harder if you are going to hit it harder, softer with soft shots... it's kind of the same, if you're hitting wedge 130 then you extend more softly, if you're going at it from 145 then extend more.... 'vibrantly' :)
 
JustOne said:
No, it's called extension. You force the hips to clear with the legs pushing upwards and not by trying to rotate them super fast (which is pointless) it also keeps you connected (you don't leave the arms half an hour behind your hips). Your head height doesn't change significantly as you are tilted to your left in the backswing, bent forwards at impact and tilted to your right on the follow through.
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If you look at pros super slow mo swing, you'll see that the start of the downswing is a shift of the hips to target, then a small hip rotation, AND then the extension or push comes into it.
 
Piece said:
If you look at pros super slow mo swing, you'll see that the start of the downswing is a shift of the hips to target, then a small hip rotation, AND then the extension or push comes into it.
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Did that go against something I said?

The pros will often actually start shifting to their left BEFORE they get to the top of their backswing, almost certainly before they start the downswing.

You have to allow the knees to re-flex (bend) before you can push off the ground.

Why not watch Shawn Clem's video above and email him.. he's a qualified PGA pro.
 
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Did that go against something I said?

The pros will often actually start shifting to their left BEFORE they get to the top of their backswing, almost certainly before they start the downswing.

You have to allow the knees to re-flex (bend) before you can push off the ground.

Why not watch Shawn Clem's video above and email him.. he's a qualified PGA pro.
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Nearly on the same page! It's the bit about pushing up to clear the hips that's a bit misleading for me. It's the initial clearing/small turning of the hips that allows the extension and then the fast hips. Its not the pushing up that starts the clearance.

I did see the video...theory is good but leaves the impression that you have to jump up and down in your swing, when actually its a bit more subtle than that, as you've described.
 
That is correct Piece,..... you have to have the 'inclination' to be turning the hips... you don't want to extend just forwards.. it is a slight forwards and upwards rotation (the head stays back) but once the hips start you don't need to think about them. I never persoanlly worry about my hips, if I try to rotate them by 'pulling' with my left hip it not only hurts but they go about 50% the speed as when you use extension.
 
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This guy spins during his swing...
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Yes.... because he does THIS............. (massive extension)

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Once he gets airborne he can't stop his 'super fired' hips.. there's no purchase on the ground from mid air

Here's Sadlowski...watch his belt buckle as he straightens his left leg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mqGYlh1jjg he pushes up hard enough that he can get his left foot off the ground and twist it, to do that you have to unload it first..that's a hard push.
 
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That is correct Piece,..... you have to have the 'inclination' to be turning the hips... you don't want to extend just forwards.. it is a slight forwards and upwards rotation (the head stays back) but once the hips start you don't need to think about them. I never persoanlly worry about my hips, if I try to rotate them by 'pulling' with my left hip it not only hurts but they go about 50% the speed as when you use extension.
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:thup:

I'm interested to see what I'm doing in my swing. I guess something similar as I'm not a short hitter but I'm always open to hitting further! :D
 
As I'm S&T I don't drop into the knee bend position like other swings would (might try that actually.....)

But you can see where I'm starting to push off the ground up and towards the target...
[video=youtube;nTN91PiWwQ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTN91PiWwQ0[/video]

It's a major part of the actual S&T pattern and even I'm nowhere near as much as Rory et al :angry: Damn it!!! :whoo:
 
i had to laugh at them(tv studio) picking up on matt emery's feet being practically off the ground at impact.they never seem to moan or mention other players that do it,i'm pretty sure bubba watsons feet are off the ground almost completely at impact and my feet are almost the same.

i didn't realise this until i looked at a picture.
 
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