Your Clubs Competition Rules

[Crazyface]

Our meeting has been put back a week, due to me double booking myself. , but after a bit of a random get together in the pro shop of a few minds, it was obvious to me that this meeting MUST take place and we as a committee ( we have some very good members on our committee) could drive certain things forward that might prompt others members on other committees to sit up and listen.

 

[Crazyface]

After a chat with next years President, a lovely fella who's been at the club for years, he seems to thing we don't have rules for comps and agrees we should have, so RF, I'm amending your, many thanks for those, to suit. Which at least will give us a starting point.
Also, I notice you do not have a ruling for any no shows in comps. What do you (of anyone elses clubs) do about this?

 

[Crazyface]

oooo I've just realised I seem to be sucking info from this place at the moment. I hope I'm putting enough back.:thup:

 

[rulefan]

Also, I notice you do not have a ruling for any no shows in comps. What do you (of anyone elses clubs) do about this?

A no show leaving another competitor on his own results in a warning and the incident is logged. Another incident may result in withdrawal of playing rights. It is an etiquette matter for the internal disciplinary committee.
In practice, to the best of my knowledge it has only rarely happened and the 'odd' player has found another group to join and probably not made a complaint.

 

[Old Skier]

A no show leaving another competitor on his own results in a warning and the incident is logged. Another incident may result in withdrawal of playing rights. It is an etiquette matter for the internal disciplinary committee.
In practice, to the best of my knowledge it has only rarely happened and the 'odd' player has found another group to join and probably not made a complaint.

Same for us but it is stated in our general competition policy document .

 

[Green Man]

At our club a no show for a competition or failure to return a card is a ban from the next two competitions. No warnings.
Maybe a bit harsh but it seems to work well and there are very few no shows.

 

[Crazyface]

We also have players adding their names on start sheets AFTER a draw (for majors) has been done. Anyone allow this? I'm leaning towards saying "not a chance", as others don't do it so why allow certain ones, but don't wish to hiss members off.

What about people deciding not to turn up for their drawn start time in the morning, because they were leathered the night before (watching the footie) and just fitting in with the afternoon lot?
Would you allow this?

I'm sure Rory et al wouldn't be allowed to do this.

Sorry again. I'm trying to get as much info as possible

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We put a reserve list and then if people drop out we then put them into a gap

And if anyone decides not to turn up and play later without informing pro shop they are subject to the disciplinary process as if they failed to turn up

 

[williamalex1]

Once the draw is made and printed it's posted in the lounge, if times are still available you may add your name and post your entry money no problem.
If you fail to turn up for your tee time, you lose your entry money and are barred from the next comp, unless you inform the starter beforehand.
You are allowed to cancel an early time and play later if a time is available.

 

[North Mimms]

Include details of how to deal with ties esp for major competitions.
Our club championship last week was tied after 36 holes so there was a frantic search for rules to confirm that it was a play off and which holes / how many. Several committee members had varying ideas of the "right" thing to do but having it pre-agreed and in black and white saves any problems

 

[sawtooth]

I thought struck me the other day, as I'm our new comp secretary, do all our golf competitions have their own rules and where are they? As I was at the club yesterday I asked our pro about this. He started to say that our comps would be covered by the rules of golf etc, but I stopped him and said but surely each comp must have certain rules that are for that particular comp, eg we have one for over 55's and must be played on a Saturday morning. There are others have restrictions and therefore rules. Hmmmm, dunno....hmmmm, maybe the club secretary has them but don't hold your breath.
We have a comp committee meeting due next week, I will be bringing this up at it. :thup:

Should there be rules specific to each comp written down somewhere?

Absolutely.

At my old course we had the format and notes for each type of comp summarised and posted on the clubhouse notice board and website.

 

[chellie]

What about people deciding not to turn up for their drawn start time in the morning, because they were leathered the night before (watching the footie) and just fitting in with the afternoon lot?
Would you allow this?

Sorry again. I'm trying to get as much info as possible

A definite NO. Your start time is your start time and can't be altered on the day. Can be altered up to the evening before though.

Edited to add it is breach of Rule 6-3(a) that we use.

 

[CallawayKid]

We used to have a list of people that were allowed to join comps at the last minute, either the evening before or that morning/day. These were shift workers who didn't know what they would be doing that day and if it fitted they would ask to join. To go on this list you needed to have a chat with the committee first and everyone be in agreement. Just a thought in case you have a lot of shift workers at your club.

CK

 

[duncan mackie]

We also have players adding their names on start sheets AFTER a draw (for majors) has been done. Anyone allow this? I'm leaning towards saying "not a chance", as others don't do it so why allow certain ones, but don't wish to hiss members off.

For things like this you need to start with the question - what's wrong with doing that?

In this case the answer is that it's a drawn competition and everyone else is stuck with when, and with whom, they are playing.

The answer then becomes simple. Anyone wishing to enter after the draw is made must notify the committee (specify the process) and they will be added to the start sheet at the committees discretion as and when spaces become available.

 

[Crazyface]

There have been some great and really helpful answers. Many thanks.

Don't go thinking I'm finished with you all yet though.

 

[Crazyface]

R&A Rule
6-3
A. Time Of Starting
The player must start at the time established by the Committee
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-3a:
If the player arrives at his starting point, ready to play, within five minutes after his starting time, the penalty for failure to start on time is loss of the first hole in match play or two strokes at the first hole in stroke play. Otherwise, the penalty for breach of this Rule is disqualification.

Exception: Where the committee determines that exceptional circumstances have prevented a player from starting on time, there is no penalty


Er...what are "exceptional circumstances"? Could being leathered from the night before be one?

I really need an answer on this.

 

[Colin L]

R&A Rule
6-3
A. Time Of Starting
The player must start at the time established by the Committee
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-3a:
If the player arrives at his starting point, ready to play, within five minutes after his starting time, the penalty for failure to start on time is loss of the first hole in match play or two strokes at the first hole in stroke play. Otherwise, the penalty for breach of this Rule is disqualification.

Exception: Where the committee determines that exceptional circumstances have prevented a player from starting on time, there is no penalty


Er...what are "exceptional circumstances"? Could being leathered from the night before be one?

I really need an answer on this.

Exceptional circumstances is a very demanding criterion. See Decision 6-3a/1.5
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-06,d6-3a-1.5

As you will see, being held up by a traffic jam caused by a serious accident is not considered an exceptional circumstance unless you are obliged to stop and give help or a provide a witness statement.

 

[Crazyface]

Crumbs

 

[duncan mackie]

Crumbs

There is a danger that you are risking mixing the rules, your COC and the committees function and discretion. Take care.

For example - if a player calls the shop at 0800 and advises that for some reason they aren't going to be able to make their 0845 tee time but that they will be able to get there by 0930 we would change the start sheet if we have space for most competitions. For the purposes of rule 6.3 he now has a revised start time and isn't subject to DQ for arriving at 0900 etc. We don't have fixed rules relating to no-show but maintain a constant review and if someone was consistently causing problems through their actions we would take what we considered appropriate actions at the time.

Hope this helps.

 

[Crazyface]

There is a danger that you are risking mixing the rules, your COC and the committees function and discretion. Take care.

For example - if a player calls the shop at 0800 and advises that for some reason they aren't going to be able to make their 0845 tee time but that they will be able to get there by 0930 we would change the start sheet if we have space for most competitions. For the purposes of rule 6.3 he now has a revised start time and isn't subject to DQ for arriving at 0900 etc. We don't have fixed rules relating to no-show but maintain a constant review and if someone was consistently causing problems through their actions we would take what we considered appropriate actions at the time.

Hope this helps.

Many thanks for this post, I do sometimes have a desire to lay down draconian rules the are set in stone, and forget that some people have lives and genuine reasons to want to change things. I think I need to word the rules in such a way it allows for the changing of times, as long as the person controlling the start times on the day has been given due warning.
Do you think this is fair?