WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

Foxholer said:
As Germany is now united, that would be an invasion of Germany, a NATO nation, so would have extremely severe consequences!
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I said consider, but TBH I don't think that would put Putin off, he seems to have China on his side ? .
And no one wants to risk Armageddin, except him .
 
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Foxholer said:
From 23rd March

Well those 2 weeks are well and truly up!

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I'd hardly call a civilian catastrophe 'interesting'!

Though I do think the 'proper' strategy - for Russia - is to consolidate the 'predominantly Russian speaking' regions in the areas it still has control of - East and South East before any further attempts in North East or against Kyiv. Of course, Ukraine should try to prevent that!
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Russia have withdrawn from the majority of gains they made as they didn't have the capacity to hold them.
They've suffered bigger losses than any force since WW2.
They've been humiliated by a massively outnumbered opposition.
They're dipping into reservists aged 50 plus.
The ruble is falling after 6 weeks of insane propping up measures.
The goals have come from taking the entire country and putting a new government in place within days, to trying to win a few major towns in the East after 8 weeks.

Russia are 30 years behind the elite armies in terms of training, strategy and armour/weapons. They're North Korea with more troops and a few nuclear bombs, most of which are likely out of action. One UK Trident sub has likely more nuclear capacity that the whole of Russia.

As for the next phase, Russia will struggle badly. They will need a troop ratio of 4/1 to make any serious gains. They have at best a 50/50 chance of taking any major towns or cities in the East. They won't even attempt an attack on Kyiv, apart from the odd long range missle.

Poor form to throw in civilian deaths, I was talking from a strategic point of view. Any war is a disaster but this has been all Russia's doing and they will have to pay for it over the coming years.
 
road2ruin said:
Apparently the Russian’s aren’t taking any chances, the new guy was responsible for a lot of the going on’s in Syria and it’s unlikely to end well for an awful lot of Ukrainian’s and he’s not going to want to fail as the previous lot have.
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I think he'll find Syria and the Ukraine are two different beasts!
 
4LEX said:
Russia have withdrawn from the majority of gains they made as they didn't have the capacity to hold them.
They've suffered bigger losses than any force since WW2.
They've been humiliated by a massively outnumbered opposition.
They're dipping into reservists aged 50 plus.
The ruble is falling after 6 weeks of insane propping up measures.
The goals have come from taking the entire country and putting a new government in place within days, to trying to win a few major towns in the East after 8 weeks.

Russia are 30 years behind the elite armies in terms of training, strategy and armour/weapons. They're North Korea with more troops and a few nuclear bombs, most of which are likely out of action. One UK Trident sub has likely more nuclear capacity that the whole of Russia.

As for the next phase, Russia will struggle badly. They will need a troop ratio of 4/1 to make any serious gains. They have at best a 50/50 chance of taking any major towns or cities in the East. They won't even attempt an attack on Kyiv, apart from the odd long range missle.

Poor form to throw in civilian deaths, I was talking from a strategic point of view. Any war is a disaster but this has been all Russia's doing and they will have to pay for it over the coming years.
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All that waffle, much of it complete B-S (the Ruble is pretty much back to it's pre-invasion level; Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world - about 6000! - about 50% more than that of US; US losses in Vietnam were nearly 60k and South Vietnam's were over 250K) , to 'cover up' the fact that your earlier post was, as I described it - absolute twaddle!
 
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I see the Russian cruiser that has been hit by two missile, is actually on secret underwater trials according to the Kremlin. ?
 
Foxholer said:
All that waffle, much of it complete B-S (the Ruble is pretty much back to it's pre-invasion level; Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world - about 6000! - about 50% more than that of US; US losses in Vietnam were nearly 60k and South Vietnam's were over 250K) , to 'cover up' the fact that your earlier post was, as I described it - absolute twaddle!
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It's a tad ironic that you accuse a poster of "waffle", writing "BST" and "twaddle " just days after claiming a post to be 'condescending'.

I'm sure 4Lex can give as good as he gets but the blind arrogance of your terminology against the opinions of à fellow poster rather amused me.
 
drdel said:
It's a tad ironic that you accuse a poster of "waffle", writing "BST" and "twaddle " just days after claiming a post to be 'condescending'.

I'm sure 4Lex can give as good as he gets but the blind arrogance of your terminology against the opinions of à fellow poster rather amused me.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Kindly identify any of the points I made in the reply to 4LEX's post that were fundamentally wrong!
I'll certainly confess to waffling a bunndle of times though!
 
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Swango1980 said:
I think you missed his point. Condescending was probably the key word :)
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No, not missed! Nothing condescending about pointing out B-S!
I make the same challenge to you as to drdel....Identify any of the points I made in the reply to 4LEX's post that were fundamentally wrong!
 
Foxholer said:
No, not missed! Nothing condescending about pointing out B-S!
I make the same challenge to you as to drdel....Identify any of the points I made in the reply to 4LEX's post that were fundamentally wrong!
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You're doing it again... . You're missing the point. Why are you asking my to identify where you were wrong? I never even entered that debate with you!? Nor did drdel.

It is the way you made your point, not the point you were trying to make.
 
Swango1980 said:
You're doing it again... . You're missing the point. Why are you asking my to identify where you were wrong? I never even entered that debate with you!? Nor did drdel.

It is the way you made your point, not the point you were trying to make.
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I call BS if I see BS!
Live with it! There's an 'ignore' button if can't!
 
drdel said:
It's a tad ironic that you accuse a poster of "waffle", writing "BST" and "twaddle " just days after claiming a post to be 'condescending'.

I'm sure 4Lex can give as good as he gets but the blind arrogance of your terminology against the opinions of à fellow poster rather amused me.
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Better to be arrogant and accurate than arrogant and ignorant.
 
Swango1980 said:
There's an ignore button :)
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There sure is. Started using it a couple of weeks ago. Ah bliss!!! Just wish that I had started using it a long while ago. You find that you are not actually missing anything as most of what the ignored poster(s) are spouting is not worth reading in the first place.

(y)(y) from me.
 
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