WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

RichA said:
Yes. It felt weird watching the news yesterday, when the opening headline related to cash in our pockets rather than the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I hate the idea that after a few weeks the world gets fatigued with the news and stops paying attention while the atrocities continue.
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The media are the ones that get “fatigued” rather than the public.
 
Old Skier said:
The media are the ones that get “fatigued” rather than the public.
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I disagree. Compassion fatigue is recognised phenomenon. It is thought to be part of our survival instinct.

Just look at this thread for an example. Two random dates - one from early on, one from recently: Feb 27th = 42 posts, March 17th = 3 posts.

"We" are just as guilty as the media in this regard, I'm afraid.
 
phillarrow said:
I disagree. Compassion fatigue is recognised phenomenon. It is thought to be part of our survival instinct.

Just look at this thread for an example. Two random dates - one from early on, one from recently: Feb 27th = 42 posts, March 17th = 3 posts.

"We" are just as guilty as the media in this regard, I'm afraid.
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Perhaps, as things have stagnated , there is nothing to post at the moment. Most of us that might have some interest in the day to day in Ukraine will be relying more on live coverage on Twitter.
 
phillarrow said:
... Compassion fatigue is recognised phenomenon. It is thought to be part of our survival instinct.
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There's apparently 2 types - as described to me by a Police Diver acquaintance some time ago. From memory, along the lines of...
1. Inability to feel compassion for victims anymore - after observing/participating in 'too many' crisis events.
2. The 'adoption' of someone else's crisis related stress.
Apparently, folk in his role were quite susceptible to both!
 
Old Skier said:
Perhaps, as things have stagnated , there is nothing to post at the moment. Most of us that might have some interest in the day to day in Ukraine will be relying more on live coverage on Twitter.
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I suppose the most important thing that is ongoing as far as UK public direct involvement in other than fundraising is the refugee settlement programme and how it is going - numbers etc, specifically for those with no family link in the UK. I’m not hearing much about it on the news or from those managing it….though to be honest I am not sure who that is.
 
My wife has been given the focal role for coordination of the Ukrainian's being settled in Wokingham for the council with regards vetting, benefits, schools etc. There could be 500 coming here. Had first meeting at a volunteers house yesterday and looks like she will be very busy over coming weeks
 
Old Skier said:
Perhaps, as things have stagnated , there is nothing to post at the moment. Most of us that might have some interest in the day to day in Ukraine will be relying more on live coverage on Twitter.
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It's certainly something of a relief (that's doesn't decrease my concern) to have other things on the Beeb's home page.
 
PNWokingham said:
My wife has been given the focal role for coordination of the Ukrainian's being settled in Wokingham for the council with regards vetting, benefits, schools etc. There could be 500 coming here. Had first meeting at a volunteers house yesterday and looks like she will be very busy over coming weeks
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Good to hear. So the responsibility for homing refugees is with the councils. Well that’s better than central government trying to do it. How do councils find out those in their LA area who have offered to home those who do not have family in UK. Is there a system and process connecting register of interest to house with the councils? I guess there must be something.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Good to hear. So the responsibility for homing refugees is with the councils. Well that’s better than central government trying to do it. How do councils find out those in their LA area who have offered to home those who do not have family in UK. Is there a system and process connecting register of interest to house with the councils? I guess there must be something.
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i am not sure on these but they have a big list of volunteers, probably from the nastional register, and the first steps are going to see them, explain how things work etc. The wholes process only kicked off yesterday and Zara's big boss in Housing volunteered her!
 
PNWokingham said:
My wife has been given the focal role for coordination of the Ukrainian's being settled in Wokingham for the council with regards vetting, benefits, schools etc. There could be 500 coming here. Had first meeting at a volunteers house yesterday and looks like she will be very busy over coming weeks
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HID works for a charity called Involve in Wokingham which is funded via the council. Not sure what their involvement has/will be but as the building contains a lot of charities including the Wokingham Food Bank I ma sure they will be helping
 
Some slightly better news today, son is only on the reserve list to go to Poland so hopefully won't be needed, although remains on 48hr notice should things change. Fingers tightly crossed they don't
 
The one thing that doesn't make any sense in all this is that Putin has said that he doesn't want NATO in a neighbouring country IF Ukraine were to join NATO. If Russia were to be successful in taking over Ukraine they would then have a border with Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland, all of which are NATO members. If Putin achieves his goals then he will have four neighbouring countries that are NATO members. If he'd done nothing and allowed Ukraine to join NATO he would've had one neighbouring country that was a member of NATO.
 
Old Skier said:
Not overly convinced taking into account:

How close his main objectives at present are to Russia
How close his own troops are to the opposition.
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During the Second Chechen War, in October 2002 Russian troops used a gas containing the opioid carfentanil after Chechen rebels stormed a Moscow theatre and took people hostage.

The substance - 10,000 more powerful than morphine - killed 120 of the hostages.

Doesn’t strike me as someone who particularly cares about his own people!
 
ColchesterFC said:
The one thing that doesn't make any sense in all this is that Putin has said that he doesn't want NATO in a neighbouring country IF Ukraine were to join NATO. If Russia were to be successful in taking over Ukraine they would then have a border with Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland, all of which are NATO members. If Putin achieves his goals then he will have four neighbouring countries that are NATO members. If he'd done nothing and allowed Ukraine to join NATO he would've had one neighbouring country that was a member of NATO.
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I'm not sure he wants to take over Ukraine (I.e. make it part of Russia). I think he wants a regime change, with a government friendly to Russia.

Neither option is one that seems in any way realistic anyway.
 
ColchesterFC said:
The one thing that doesn't make any sense in all this is that Putin has said that he doesn't want NATO in a neighbouring country IF Ukraine were to join NATO. If Russia were to be successful in taking over Ukraine they would then have a border with Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland, all of which are NATO members. If Putin achieves his goals then he will have four neighbouring countries that are NATO members. If he'd done nothing and allowed Ukraine to join NATO he would've had one neighbouring country that was a member of NATO.
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This article seems to sum it up well, for me. https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...dimir-putin-so-obsessed-with-ukraine-invasion
Ukraine is too valuable to Russia, both for its resources and as a buffer between Russia, Putin's primary concern, and Nato members.
 
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