WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This is not politics it is government policy on our behalf in a very challenging context. But if it is what is required and that I cannot say that I am happy with the way the government has responded militarily and on aid so far then I won't. And I won't say how well I think the public's wishes are being reflected by government policy on refugees.

The politics of the matter are mostly it seems around why the government is doing what it is doing, and less so around what it is doing. And so I will not discuss the why of it, though I suggest that we all know why, but I can surely discuss the what as that is what impacts each and every one of us in our ability to help and support Ukrainian refugees.

It is a rather sad joke that we have to dance on the head of a pin almost pretending that what is happening in respect of the UK response to the refugee crisis is somehow happening of it's own accord, and not as the result of decisions being made on behalf of each and every one of us. But I guess that that suits some.

Anyway - so we go back to discussing hypothetical military and conflict matters upon which we have no influence, and that will only impact us through government policy...though somehow we can discuss that. Carry on.
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I’ve come to the conclusion that you’d be rubbish at Fight Club…
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This is not politics it is government policy on our behalf in a very challenging context. But if it is what is required and that I cannot say that I am happy with the way the government has responded militarily and on aid so far then I won't. And I won't say how well I think the public's wishes are being reflected by government policy on refugees.

The politics of the matter are mostly it seems around why the government is doing what it is doing, and less so around what it is doing. And so I will not discuss the why of it, though I suggest that we all know why, but I can surely discuss the what as that is what impacts each and every one of us in our ability to help and support Ukrainian refugees.

It is a rather sad joke that we have to dance on the head of a pin almost pretending that what is happening in respect of the UK response to the refugee crisis is somehow happening of it's own accord, and not as the result of decisions being made on behalf of each and every one of us. But I guess that that suits some.

Anyway - so we go back to discussing hypothetical military and conflict matters upon which we have no influence, and that will only impact us through government policy...though somehow we can discuss that. Carry on.
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Still waiting for your ideas
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This is not politics it is government policy on our behalf in a very challenging context. But if it is what is required and that I cannot say that I am happy with the way the government has responded militarily and on aid so far then I won't. And I won't say how well I think the public's wishes are being reflected by government policy on refugees.

The politics of the matter are mostly it seems around why the government is doing what it is doing, and less so around what it is doing. And so I will not discuss the why of it, though I suggest that we all know why, but I can surely discuss the what as that is what impacts each and every one of us in our ability to help and support Ukrainian refugees.

It is a rather sad joke that we have to dance on the head of a pin almost pretending that what is happening in respect of the UK response to the refugee crisis is somehow happening of it's own accord, and not as the result of decisions being made on behalf of each and every one of us. But I guess that that suits some.

Anyway - so we go back to discussing hypothetical military and conflict matters upon which we have no influence, and that will only impact us through government policy...though somehow we can discuss that. Carry on.
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there is complete agreement that our response to migrants has been shocking and I believe it will change for the better. But, without getting political, what do you think we should be doing different militarily?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Orla Guerin is the modern version. Run quickly if Orla turns up nearby. I swear a black cloud follows her around the world.
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Incredibly brave folk, both/all of them! Putting their own lives in danger in order to report the facts!
BBC may occasionally be criticised for its funding, but I very much doubt anyone would question the quality or integrity in its overseas, espcially crisis, reporting.
 
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Old Skier said:
Not part of the so called propaganda machine then, good to know.
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Not for me! At least at this stage of the conflict. Beeb's overseas reporters are islands of independence in that regard. Though are often, understandably, unable to 'present both sides' of some/many situations in conflict zones.
The 'propagandists' tend to be a long way from actual conflict zones. Mind you, judicious suppression or editing of their reports could result in distortion, but I don't believe the conflict has reached that stage yet - and hope it never does!
And FWIW, note my edit of my original post.
 
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Foxholer said:
Not for me! At least at this stage of the conflict. Beeb's overseas reporters are islands of independence in that regard. Though are often, understandably, unable to 'present both sides' of some/many situations in conflict zones.
The 'propagandists' tend to be a long way from actual conflict zones. Mind you, judicious suppression or editing of their reports could result in distortion, but I don't believe the conflict has reached that stage yet - and hope it never does!
And FWIW, note my edit of my original post.
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I kind of agree with Old Skier. I'm not independent - I support the Ukrainians. Some of the coverage, if viewed by a Russian, would appear like a propaganda video against them, which plays into their hands.
Stick to the facts.
 
RichA said:
I kind of agree with Old Skier. I'm not independent - I support the Ukrainians. Some of the coverage, if viewed by a Russian, would appear like a propaganda video against them, which plays into their hands.
Stick to the facts.
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They also get to many "experts" and take their "opinions " as fact to easily.
IMO 24 hr news broadcasting has added to too many opinions.
 
RichA said:
I kind of agree with Old Skier. I'm not independent - I support the Ukrainians. Some of the coverage, if viewed by a Russian, would appear like a propaganda video against them, which plays into their hands.
Stick to the facts.
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Pretty much my stance too. Though I'm perhaps a tad more cynical about the 'independence' of, at least some, ex-forces attitudes.
 
Old Skier said:
They also get to many "experts" and take their "opinions " as fact to easily.
IMO 24 hr news broadcasting has added to too many opinions.
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I'd still sooner hear sit-reps from an 'independent' source close to the action than a carefully constructed press-release from a, quite reasonably, biased one in 'forces HQ' trying to 'manage events/news'! I'm happy to hear multiple opinions, backed up by facts, as opposed to a single opinion presented as fact. And, generally, the closer to the actual events the better.
 
Foxholer said:
I'd still sooner hear sit-reps from an 'independent' source close to the action than a carefully constructed press-release from a, quite reasonably, biased one in 'forces HQ' trying to 'manage events/news'! I'm happy to hear multiple opinions, backed up by facts, as opposed to a single opinion presented as fact. And, generally, the closer to the actual events the better.
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Yes, but flying back and forth for Mastermind is a disgraceful waste of public money :love:
 
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