WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

Old Skier said:
But Ukraine has already been supplied with a huge amount of anti aircraft missles by NATO, that's how 80+ of Russian air assets have been downed, why are you worrying about a few more all of a sudden.
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Well, that appears to be the claim anyway! How many of those are real/verified? A couple of dozen? All of which is good news of course, but reminds me of the exaggreated claims that were an essential part of US's propoganda about Vietnam many years ago.
 
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Foxholer said:
Well, that appears to be the claim anyway! How many of those are real/verified? A couple of dozen? All of which is good news of course, but reminds me of the exaggreated claims that were an essential part of US's propoganda about Vietnam many years ago.
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If an Isis terrorists kills civilians in London with a Kalashnikov AK-47, does that make Russia responsible for his actions.
 
Old Skier said:
But Ukraine has already been supplied with a huge amount of anti aircraft missles by NATO, that's how 80+ of Russian air assets have been downed, why are you worrying about a few more all of a sudden.
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Because things may not be going well for Putin and he is going to be looking for any new evidence to point out to Russians of an escalation and 'upping of the ante' by the 'west'.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because things may not be going well for Putin and he is going to be looking for any new evidence to point out to Russians of an escalation and 'upping of the ante' by the 'west'.
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He doesn’t need that excuse, if he wants to press the button he will.

He’s already lining up chemical weapons in response to apparent American activities in Ukraine.
 
Old Skier said:
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My advice for what it's worth, worry about what you have control over, the rest is someone else's problem.
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Wise words. Until we get dragged into a NATO involved conflict bringing the UK into the Russian line of fire then worrying seems a wasted effort. If we get involved directly then worry about no fuel, rationing and incoming but we're not there yet
 
Foxholer said:
Got a reference? Here's one to the 'couple of dozen' verified one.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/07/russian-aircraft-losses-ukraine-unsustainable-fortnight/#:~:text=The true losses may be,including nine over the weekend.
Call me cynical, but 'our MOD' wouldn't seem to be in the best position to confirm numbers, but probably in a good pos to push propoganda!
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The reference was only the daily briefing on the BBC breakfast programme with the armed forces minister at around 0730 today. Take it how you wish.
With the amount of “real time“ sat int available I wouldn’t doubt it’s accuracy but in the free world you can make your own choices.
Not sure if the telegraph is plumbed into the same sat int.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Wise words. Until we get dragged into a NATO involved conflict bringing the UK into the Russian line of fire then worrying seems a wasted effort. If we get involved directly then worry about no fuel, rationing and incoming but we're not there yet
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I think it’s really sad that we have individuals worried more about their own comforts in life than what is going on in Ukraine.
 
Old Skier said:
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My advice for what it's worth, worry about what you have control over, the rest is someone else's problem.
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OK - so we here should be worrying about and discussing the refugee crisis; our Government's response to it, and the Border Force handling of it rather than discussing some hypothetical arms race to Armageddon that only strikes fear in many and that could have a significant and detrimental impact for those with mental health concerns.

A background aside...my concerns are based around the fact that in a previous life I was, firstly and for many years, a missile guidance, control and navigation systems engineer so I actually know how these things work and what they are capable of because I worked on designing them; and secondly, I carried out defense market demand forecasting specialising in land-based air defense systems - and so I have a good idea of what the west and the Russians have and what all that stuff is capable of doing. My knowledge is some years out of date but much of the kit I designed, modelled and 'investigated' is still in service.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Indeed - so we here should be worrying about and discussing the refugee crisis; our Government's response to it, and the Border Force handling of it rather than discussing some hypothetical arms race to Armageddon that only strikes fear in many and that could have a significant and detrimental impact for those with mental health concerns.
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Crack on then. Good luck with the outcome if you do. Another thinly veiled political point trying to be made
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Indeed - so we here should be worrying about and discussing the refugee crisis; our Government's response to it, and the Border Force handling of it rather than discussing some hypothetical arms race to Armageddon that only strikes fear in many and that could have a significant and detrimental impact for those with mental health concerns.
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If you are worried about your own mental health when potential outcomes of war against a nuclear nation with an unpredictable leader are discussed, you could simply avoid this thread? The Wordle thread is likely to induce less stress :)
 
Old Skier said:
The reference was only the daily briefing on the BBC breakfast programme with the armed forces minister at around 0730 today. Take it how you wish.
With the amount of “real time“ sat int available I wouldn’t doubt it’s accuracy but in the free world you can make your own choices.
Not sure if the telegraph is plumbed into the same sat int.
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So a politician! I can't verify the actual words, but spin (aka propaganda) is 2nd nature (if not 1st!) to that lot!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Crack on then. Good luck with the outcome if you do. Another thinly veiled political point trying to be made
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How the h*** can we discuss the refugee crisis and how the UK is responding to it - that being the one area we can individually and collectively really help the Ukrainians, without reference to the government's decisions. They are the one and the same thing. It's a nonsense to pretend otherwise.
 
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