WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

GB72 said:
I suspect that if it was put on the table that he could have control over the 2 eastern regions plus some sort of agreement on NATO membership then he would build that up as all he was looking for in the first place and call it quits. Not sure Ukraine would give up the regions so easily (maybe a referedum that would easily be controlled by Russia) but it would be an out that both could call a victory of sorts. It is the only peaceful way I can see out of this. Putin can keep hammering away with numbers until he wins or just flatten the country, Ukraine can hold on strongly for a period but not indefnitely. I suspect that this is the sort of deal that will end up on the table. Strangely perhaps a deal that sees Ukraine joing the EU but not NATO and so they have European defensive allies but it keeps the US out of it.
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I can't see how he comes out of this well, apparently Finland and Sweden are now set to join NATO so even if a deal is made for Ukraine all he's actually achieved is to bring NATO even closer to the Russian border.
 
road2ruin said:
I can't see how he comes out of this well, apparently Finland and Sweden are now set to join NATO so even if a deal is made for Ukraine all he's actually achieved is to bring NATO even closer to the Russian border.
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NATO has been on Russias border for years, Estonia, Latvia, Norway have borders with Russia. Turkey is about an hour's drive through Georgia away.
 
greenone said:
NATO has been on Russias border for years, Estonia, Latvia, Norway have borders with Russia. Turkey is about an hour's drive through Georgia away.
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Yes, I know however it's the reason he's given for the invasion of Ukraine. Purely on the basis that it's encouraged other countries to join NATO means he's already lost face based on that argument.
 
road2ruin said:
I can't see how he comes out of this well, apparently Finland and Sweden are now set to join NATO so even if a deal is made for Ukraine all he's actually achieved is to bring NATO even closer to the Russian border.
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As I understand it, and I'm happy to be corrected, that 'set to join suggestion' came from Russian sources - so more 'diplomatic B-S'! Both countries already 'co-operate' with Nato and allow Nato exercises to take place on their land, while also maintaining a 'neutral' stance.
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
Every little helps.

One thing I was thinking, not Paddington related. Putin needs an out at some stage, we hope. If he is not going to walk through Ukraine he may either commit all sorts of horrors as retribution or he needs a way to withdraw whilst looking strong, proclaiming some form of victory. Face, strength matters to someone like him, who rules through fear. Would he take the two eastern regions as enough? Would Ukraine accept that as a price for peace?
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I struggle to imagine Putin agreeing to anything that would also be acceptable to Ukraine. As you say, he needs to save face now, I really can't see how he does that and it only gets harder with the sanctions beginning to bite. With Russians feeling the pain, he needs to come back with something really worthwhile otherwise what was the point?!
 
Pretty horrendous videos/photos of Russia moving onto the next level of weapons with cluster bombs used in heavily residential areas including a kindergarten. These weapons are a violation of the Geneva Convention. Can't be any way back for Putin now.
 
Ukraine have applied and requested immidiate acceptance into the EU. Looks like Zelensky is poking Putin even more.
 
road2ruin said:
Pretty horrendous videos/photos of Russia moving onto the next level of weapons with cluster bombs used in heavily residential areas including a kindergarten. These weapons are a violation of the Geneva Convention. Can't be any way back for Putin now.
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Get your 'facts' straight!
 
road2ruin said:
I read that the use of these weapons were prohibited by the Geneva Convention against civilians. If that's wrong then fair enough but why don't you enlighten me whilst also sorting out your spelling.
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1. Convention on Cluster Munitions.
2. Unfortunately USSR wasn't a signtory to CCM!
 
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road2ruin said:
I read that the use of these weapons were prohibited by the Geneva Convention against civilians. If that's wrong then fair enough but why don't you enlighten me whilst also sorting out your spelling.
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Their use have been outlawed as such but Russia and USA didn’t sign up to anything. The USA haven’t used them for decades I believe but it seems with Russia having to rely on “older” arms they have resorted to cluster bombs

The devastation from them being used in built up areas is shocking and there is going to be a lot of innocent collateral damage from them , they are looking like actions of someone running out of options.
 
Are there any sanctions on the other countries like Belarus that have helped Russia by using their land borders to invade Ukraine.?
If not why not?
They are complicit in this.
 
All Russian national/international football teams have been banned from FIFA/UEFA competitions.

Obviously won't bother Putin but the Russian 'man in the street' isn't going to be happy about missing the WC etc.
 
road2ruin said:
All Russian national/international football teams have been banned from FIFA/UEFA competitions.

Obviously won't bother Putin but the Russian 'man in the street' isn't going to be happy about missing the WC etc.
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They didn’t want to though.
They were shamed into it by the other countries refusing to play them.
Just money grabbers.
 
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