WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

[Swango1980]

Do you really see Putin as someone who is going to start a nuclear war to save his credibility ? - he has no credibility anyway , that was long gone and he prob doesn’t give too hoots

His Russian Military are not as powerful as he thought and it takes more than weight of numbers - it will be messy for a few more days and then there will be a ceasefire followed by a slow withdrawal

And Putin would be removed before he went near any button to start a nuclear war

I've no idea what Putin or his cronies are capable of. Well, they are at a .minimum capable of invading a sovereign country despite most of the world desperately asking them not to.

What are they capable beyond that? Who knows. However, I hope the west at least take the potential of a nuclear attack seriously, rather than assume there is no chance of him doing it. Therefore, on the remote chance the worse comes to worst, they may be able to have their defences ready.

 

[hovis]

I've no idea what Putin or his cronies are capable of. Well, they are at a .minimum capable of invading a sovereign country despite most of the world desperately asking them not to.

What are they capable beyond that? Who knows. However, I hope the west at least take the potential of a nuclear attack seriously, rather than assume there is no chance of him doing it. Therefore, on the remote chance the worse comes to worst, they may be able to have their defences ready.

Unfortunately there's not much defence against the hypersonic missiles that Russia have

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I've no idea what Putin or his cronies are capable of. Well, they are at a .minimum capable of invading a sovereign country despite most of the world desperately asking them not to.

What are they capable beyond that? Who knows. However, I hope the west at least take the potential of a nuclear attack seriously, rather than assume there is no chance of him doing it. Therefore, on the remote chance the worse comes to worst, they may be able to have their defences ready.

Do you not think the west are always aware of the nuclear capability of Russia ?

If Russia do press the button there’s little defence - the action will be to respond in kind.

What is it you think can defend against a ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead ?

 

[theoneandonly]

You can defend against ICBMs they can be shot down if detected early enough. Hypersonic glide missiles on the other hand.

 

[Tashyboy]

Unfortunately there's not much defence against the hypersonic missiles that Russia have

A quick google shows he has certainly got them, whether they are now fitted with nukes. They may not yet, but soon will be.
On another note, Missis T says Putin told his defence folk to get the nukes ready and they had a look of shock on there faces. May well seem that some of his staff, well there not to impressed.

 

[clubchamp98]

A quick google shows he has certainly got them, whether they are now fitted with nukes. They may not yet, but soon will be.
On another note, Missis T says Putin told his defence folk to get the nukes ready and they had a look of shock on there faces. May well seem that some of his staff, well there not to impressed.

They need to remove him now.
That’s what happens when a bully dosnt get his own way, his targets are not cowering but fighting back.

 

[Tashyboy]

They need to remove him now.
That’s what happens when a bully dosnt get his own way, his targets are not cowering but fighting back.

Ave a feeling he has bit off more than He can chew.

 

[clubchamp98]

Ave a feeling he has bit off more than He can chew.

Yes he might be biting a bullet soon.
Always thought one of his own will do for him

 

[The Lion]

Yes he might be biting a bullet soon.
Always thought one of his own will do for him

Well said. That is the only language dictators and demagogues understand.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well said. That is the only language dictators and demagogues understand.

Logical really.
He’s hiding in his bunker while his soldiers die.
Sooner or later one of the generals will think his men are more important than Putin.
The sooner the better.

 

[Swango1980]

Do you not think the west are always aware of the nuclear capability of Russia ?

If Russia do press the button there’s little defence - the action will be to respond in kind.

What is it you think can defend against a ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead ?

Not much, once it is launched. Beforehand, diplomacy, or finding some other way to stop a launch.

The point is, it is impossible for anyone to say with any certainty that Russia would not push the red button. And, when backed into a corner, there may be certain people that would just go for it. So, I'm hoping there are a large number of people involved in Russia to provide a barrier to this decision ever being made.

 

[Foxholer]

Putin's action re nuclear arsenal was/is pure brinkmanship!
It does surprise me Russian forces haven't made as much progress as I thought they would.
I'll wait until the talks are organised and started. I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine cede some territory in the 2 regions with significant Russian presence, though that doesn't sit well.

 

[Bamberdele21]

Interesting chat with the eldest son tonight (lance bombardier in the Royal Artillery). The 'inside'word is that the Ukrainians are giving the ruskies are far bigger kicking than is being reported, they already know the russians tactics and have countered them from the off. The russian equipment is old and unreliable compared to the new stuff we (nato) are supplying the Ukraine. Putin expected them to just roll over but that hasnt happened, he also expected support from China but that also hasnt happened so he could be looking at an embarrassing and costly defeat. Would be interesting to know how many US/UK subs are bobbing around the russian coast, just in case...

Sounds like squaddie propaganda to me, no offence. Putin has never lost a war. Also wasn’t it a huge statement when Putin walked out with China’s president during the Winter Olympics? I’m sure China are fully on Putins side.

Russia will surely take the capital soon with ‘neutral’ talks about a new Russian government within the next couple of weeks.


What happens next. Is this just the start of it? Obviously he’d be mental to go after any NATO state.

 

[Dando]

Saw that in the club at lunchtime. Very concerning and you have to hope he has aides that can talk to him and get him to back down from that line of action. Sounds to me like he's hell bent on a world war.

Although he can give the order to launch the nukes, it’s the military who have the final say and can ignore him - it’s the same with any nuclear power.

I guess it’ll take a brave man to ignore Putin

 

[backwoodsman]

Sounds like squaddie propaganda to me, no offence. Putin has never lost a war. Also wasn’t it a huge statement when Putin walked out with China’s president during the Winter Olympics? I’m sure China are fully on Putins side.

Russia will surely take the capital soon with ‘neutral’ talks about a new Russian government within the next couple of weeks.


What happens next. Is this just the start of it? Obviously he’d be mental to go after any NATO state.

Doesn't sound like "squaddie propoganda" to me. Sainthacker's lad is only reporting (confirming?) what's already being reported in mainstream media - ie Ukraine army has not rolled over in the way Russsia likely expected, and Russian hardware is not as up-to-date as it could be.

 

[Bamberdele21]

Doesn't sound like "squaddie propoganda" to me. Sainthacker's lad is only reporting (confirming?) what's already being reported in mainstream media - ie Ukraine army has not rolled over in the way Russsia likely expected, and Russian hardware is not as up-to-date as it could be.

that would be reported tho, it’s pretty much echoes what all the the western media reports are saying..

I know of people who are on the ground in Ukraine who tell a different story

 

[Bamberdele21]

The sad reality is there are far more complications to occur from Russia losing than there is from Russia winning.

He ain’t backing down anytime soon. Either Putin wins or he’s driven out of the country.

 

[Dando]

Sounds like squaddie propaganda to me, no offence. Putin has never lost a war. Also wasn’t it a huge statement when Putin walked out with China’s president during the Winter Olympics? I’m sure China are fully on Putins side.

Russia will surely take the capital soon with ‘neutral’ talks about a new Russian government within the next couple of weeks.


What happens next. Is this just the start of it? Obviously he’d be mental to go after any NATO state.

I’d rather take the word of his son than anything you say!

 

[Bamberdele21]

I’d rather take the word of his son than anything you say!

Which has just been everything that has been said in the media.

Just like when our troops invaded Iraq on that basis of ‘weapons of mass destruction’

Bet you believed that also mate

 

[tugglesf239]

Sounds like squaddie propaganda to me, no offence. Putin has never lost a war. Also wasn’t it a huge statement when Putin walked out with China’s president during the Winter Olympics? I’m sure China are fully on Putins side.

Russia will surely take the capital soon with ‘neutral’ talks about a new Russian government within the next couple of weeks.


What happens next. Is this just the start of it? Obviously he’d be mental to go after any NATO state.

Putin has never fought any actual wars, only special operations.

Invading Crimea with a 1 million populace or fighing a proxy war in Syria using Syrian Militia, is a world away from a full on invasion of a country of 45 million people.

There are making a total hash of this. They are even unable to keep supply lines open on there own boarder crossings.

One things for certain. Even if they manage to overthrow the Ukrainian government, the reputation of the ruskie armed forces is in tatters.

Spetsnaz my arse ?