World Cup 2018

[Papas1982]

That’s dodging the point, Kane had the chance to square to Sterling in the SF and went for goal, as an example, no one is saying Sterling is better than Kane, it’s the double standard, when Kane is criticised people drop back to his PL record or he might be carrying an injury or he never stopped running.
Sadly, by Kane’s standard he didn’t have a great World Cup, the whole team iver achieved and regardless of his 3 penalties and a lucky deflection for whatever reason he didn’t get or create the chances he does in the PL.

Im not dodging a thing. Kane scored 6 goals, call em tap ins, lucky anything else. He scored 6 and is going to win the golden boot. To make out that is a bad World Cup, and then still claim england did well, which some have is imo laughable.

I as an england fan, would never complain that Kane chose to shot instead of squaring to Sterling because Sterling is a poor finisher and I’d fancy Kane’s chances more often than not.

I dont think kane was injured, I think he was starved of service. He usually has Erickson setting him up, this time it was Sterling. Sterling does a job in the pl and got in good positions for himself this World Cup. But, he isn’t the player that’ll usually thread a ball.

Imo anyone who thinks Kane’s performances were no better than Sterling’s is entitled to their opinion, but I find it hard to understand it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Scored two important goals goals in the first game, scores penalties with ease (not an English trait) and wins golden boot yet you think he may freeze.....

England created nothing from open play, I recall him missing one chance agaisnt Croatia, other than that he was starved off service. Kane is one of the best forwards (finishers) in world football. If he gets chances, he gets goals. Think he’s proven in the league that he’s not a flash on the pan or flat track bully.

Rooney had a good first tournament and then struggled - Kane had no shots on target in three KO games , and he had chances in all three , Sterling set up two of them against Croatia which could have changed the whole outlook of the Comp for England - Kane does score goals , but either he was injured for the last couple of games or he just struggled

 

[HankMarvin]

Where did Scotland venture to, hmm, I reckon as far as M&D’s Theme Park in Motherwell 😂

I’d rather qualify or like all things in life, try & fail than not try/qualify or be incapable of trying/competing at all!

It’s best to live a dream rather than imagine what’s it might be like whilst watching YouPorn for effect 😜

To be fair you had the weak end of the draw and just couldn't get the job done but we had to listen to all the hype and last week all we heard was that you were in the final and that it was coming home........lol

Comedy classic

 

[Papas1982]

Rooney had a good first tournament and then struggled - Kane had no shots on target in three KO games , and he had chances in all three , Sterling set up two of them against Croatia which could have changed the whole outlook of the Comp for England - Kane does score goals , but either he was injured for the last couple of games or he just struggled

I agree he struggled, i don’t think he was injured. He just underperformed in the game against Croatia. It happens and sadly for us it happened in a key game.

Kane did better this tournament than the last though, and has years left to prove himself. I think it’s a bit early to be calling time on him just yet. As the striker he’s judged on goals, other players can be judged on other things like effort and movement, but he’s there to score. He got 6. That’s good enough for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree he struggled, i don’t think he was injured. He just underperformed in the game against Croatia. It happens and sadly for us it happened in a key game.

Kane did better this tournament than the last though, and has years left to prove himself. I think it’s a bit early to be calling time on him just yet. As the striker he’s judged on goals, other players can be judged on other things like effort and movement, but he’s there to score. He got 6. That’s good enough for me.

Who is calling time on him ?

Lots of talk of him being the best striker in the world yet went missing for the KO games , not just Croatia but he wasn’t exactly shining through during any of the games in the KO stage.

And yep he got 6 goals but it doesn’t say that he played well and masks the issues for both him and the team

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Im not dodging a thing. Kane scored 6 goals, call em tap ins, lucky anything else. He scored 6 and is going to win the golden boot. To make out that is a bad World Cup, and then still claim england did well, which some have is imo laughable.

I as an england fan, would never complain that Kane chose to shot instead of squaring to Sterling because Sterling is a poor finisher and I’d fancy Kane’s chances more often than not.

I dont think kane was injured, I think he was starved of service. He usually has Erickson setting him up, this time it was Sterling. Sterling does a job in the pl and got in good positions for himself this World Cup. But, he isn’t the player that’ll usually thread a ball.

Imo anyone who thinks Kane’s performances were no better than Sterling’s is entitled to their opinion, but I find it hard to understand it.

Good job a defender doesn’t take pens for England then eh!

If you read what I posted and look at the stats from the World Cup, by his standards, he hasn’t (imo) had a good World Cup,

We didn’t see the best of him for whatever reason.

Kane is our main guy, but reputation alone is not enough.

The Harry Kane we saw in the first game is the one we expect, or the one that tortured Lovren in the PL.

I don’t want a Kane that runs like a headless chicken for 90 minutes, I want the PL one.

 

[Papas1982]

Who is calling time on him ?

Lots of talk of him being the best striker in the world yet went missing for the KO games , not just Croatia but he wasn’t exactly shining through during any of the games in the KO stage.

And yep he got 6 goals but it doesn’t say that he played well and masks the issues for both him and the team

Did you not question if he is gonna go like Rooney! Ie fail at majors?

There are currently lots of world class strikers who failed worse than he did this World Cup.

Im not saying he set the place alight, but of all our problems. I wouldn’t say Kane is one of them. I’d say a stuttering team lacked creativity to usiltise him best. That and he missed a couple of chances. Add a little to our midfield and he’ll continue to score.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did you not question if he is gonna go like Rooney! Ie fail at majors?

There are currently lots of world class strikers who failed worse than he did this World Cup.

Im not saying he set the place alight, but of all our problems. I wouldn’t say Kane is one of them. I’d say a stuttering team lacked creativity to usiltise him best. That and he missed a couple of chances. Add a little to our midfield and he’ll continue to score.

That’s not calling time on him though is it

And I didn’t say Kane was the only problem - I mentioned a few but you picked that bit out of my post

Rooney had one very good tournament when he performances changes games

Kane was poorly used in his first tournament and also was poor and past the first game he had one deflection and a couple of penalties - he was poor in the KO stage and when it came to the crucial game he wasn’t there - the supposed best striker in the world doesn’t miss those three chances - he did during his biggest game ever for his country - again today - just nowhere . So I think it’s fair to say that you would hope that he doesn’t end up being like Rooney and having issues in the Tournaments

 

[Papas1982]

Good job a defender doesn’t take pens for England then eh!

If you read what I posted and look at the stats from the World Cup, by his standards, he hasn’t (imo) had a good World Cup,

We didn’t see the best of him for whatever reason.

Kane is our main guy, but reputation alone is not enough.

The Harry Kane we saw in the first game is the one we expect, or the one that tortured Lovren in the PL.

I don’t want a Kane that runs like a headless chicken for 90 minutes, I want the PL one.

I agree entirely on this point. It happened with Rooney too, a midfield devoid of ideas had him searching for the ball deeper and deeper.

Imo he needs a better ball player closer to him. I’d play Dele or Lallana behind him and then expect to see more.

The stats can be used to show what people wish to see. Imo he missed two good chances. But remains top scorer, that’s a stat that looks good imo.

His overall performances were no worse than those around him, and yet some are branding the young lions heroes. Imo we didn’t see the best of him due to a lack of creativity in the middle of the park. Of all the players in the squad, he’d be far down the pecking order for me as far as being concerned goes.

 

[Papas1982]

That’s not calling time on him though is it

And I didn’t say Kane was the only problem - I mentioned a few but you picked that bit out of my post

Rooney had one very good tournament when he performances changes games

Kane was poorly used in his first tournament and also was poor and past the first game he had one deflection and a couple of penalties - he was poor in the KO stage and when it came to the crucial game he wasn’t there - the supposed best striker in the world doesn’t miss those three chances - he did during his biggest game ever for his country - again today - just nowhere . So I think it’s fair to say that you would hope that he doesn’t end up being like Rooney and having issues in the Tournaments

I do hope that he doesn’t end up like Rooney, I also believe he won’t (dependant on the overall team). Rooney imo at the start of his career was in a better squad.

As to the missed chances, take a look at some of the names not in the tournament anymore. There are plenty that squandered opportunities.

 

[pbrown7582]

Danny Rose, ladies and gentleman. That’s why he hasn’t been first choice.

Was done like a kipper by Meunièr movement which was first class

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So Kane, an Englishman stands to win the golden boot which hasn't been done since Lineker in 86 and yet people are moaning because he hasn't had a shot on target in a couple of matches. In my opinion, there are several reasons. The service has been poor and Sterling hasn't been up to it as a second striker. We are lacking a creative playmaker. A lot flagged this after Modric ran the second half and extra time for Croatia. However yet again in my opinion Sterling failed today. The first touch is poor, he can't convert the chances he's given. The midfield and wing backs simply haven't provided the quality of service other top nations get from their players in these roles.

All said and done it was a great learning curve for many and as a young side there's plenty to be optimistic about. A few players like Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Sterling were poor and I'd have liked Southgate to have given fringe players a chance to impress. Hopefully we'll come again, qualify easily for the Euros and then be older, stronger and more experienced

 

[Kellfire]

Was done like a kipper by Meunièr movement which was first class

Ah the age old movement tactic of... erm... running.

 

[Waitforme]

I think to sum up England’s performance in the tournament was that they were left wanting against any side of note .... would that be accurate?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think to sum up England’s performance in the tournament was that they were left wanting against any side of note .... would that be accurate?

Indeed. Spoke with old 'Arry Redknapp on Thursday and he said we'd been found out against a decent side and that beyond the hype this is still a young team that aren't good enough at this level yet. Couldn't really argue

 

[pokerjoke]

So Kane, an Englishman stands to win the golden boot which hasn't been done since Lineker in 86 and yet people are moaning because he hasn't had a shot on target in a couple of matches. In my opinion, there are several reasons. The service has been poor and Sterling hasn't been up to it as a second striker. We are lacking a creative playmaker. A lot flagged this after Modric ran the second half and extra time for Croatia. However yet again in my opinion Sterling failed today. The first touch is poor, he can't convert the chances he's given. The midfield and wing backs simply haven't provided the quality of service other top nations get from their players in these roles.

All said and done it was a great learning curve for many and as a young side there's plenty to be optimistic about. A few players like Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Sterling were poor and I'd have liked Southgate to have given fringe players a chance to impress. Hopefully we'll come again, qualify easily for the Euros and then be older, stronger and more experienced

He did most failed.
Jones,Rose,Rashford,Vardy,LC,Delph none proved they should have started.
To be honest and I've said it before Jones is not good enough for MU let alone England.

Seriously impressed with Grippier again today as I was certain he would not play due to injury.
Not much mention of how bad Lukaku was today his and Sterlings first touch not good enough.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So Kane, an Englishman stands to win the golden boot which hasn't been done since Lineker in 86 and yet people are moaning because he hasn't had a shot on target in a couple of matches. In my opinion, there are several reasons. The service has been poor and Sterling hasn't been up to it as a second striker. We are lacking a creative playmaker. A lot flagged this after Modric ran the second half and extra time for Croatia. However yet again in my opinion Sterling failed today. The first touch is poor, he can't convert the chances he's given. The midfield and wing backs simply haven't provided the quality of service other top nations get from their players in these roles.

All said and done it was a great learning curve for many and as a young side there's plenty to be optimistic about. A few players like Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Sterling were poor and I'd have liked Southgate to have given fringe players a chance to impress. Hopefully we'll come again, qualify easily for the Euros and then be older, stronger and more experienced

So none of the issues are with Kane himself, all down to others!! why then are people questioning whether he was fully fit? And its Sterlings fault :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree entirely on this point. It happened with Rooney too, a midfield devoid of ideas had him searching for the ball deeper and deeper.

Imo he needs a better ball player closer to him. I’d play Dele or Lallana behind him and then expect to see more.

The stats can be used to show what people wish to see. Imo he missed two good chances. But remains top scorer, that’s a stat that looks good imo.

His overall performances were no worse than those around him, and yet some are branding the young lions heroes. Imo we didn’t see the best of him due to a lack of creativity in the middle of the park. Of all the players in the squad, he’d be far down the pecking order for me as far as being concerned goes.

Believe it or not, I’m not actually having a go at Kane, what I am saying, is that any issues with him are either being hidden behind the Golden Boot or blaming Sterling.
Kane was not at his best for numerous reasons and it needs to be identified, we need a Harry Kane that can produce something out of nothing like he does for Spurs.

 

[MegaSteve]

C'mon guys the WC is so last week ...

 

[pokerjoke]

Believe it or not, I’m not actually having a go at Kane, what I am saying, is that any issues with him are either being hidden behind the Golden Boot or blaming Sterling.
Kane was not at his best for numerous reasons and it needs to be identified, we need a Harry Kane that can produce something out of nothing like he does for Spurs.

Its quite interesting the debate on Kane.
I don't think he was injured he just got tired as the tournament went on.
He was dropped into midfield behind Sterling probably to accommodate Sterling which opens up another can of worms regarding Rashford and Vardy.
Against Columbia I believe he could easily have been substituted but he was kept on to take a penalty,why,because Vardy couldn't or wouldn't take one.
He could easily not of started today either as he was shot.

It also begs the question can South gate make massive decisions.
Martin Keown was raving about South gate saying " he's not afraid to make big decisions ",but regarding Kane I think he was.