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I think you have it spot in regards the system

It is very limited and was exposed as soon as the team faced someone with real quality - the signs were there against Colombia

A 4-3-3 would be a good start with

Pickford/Pope

Trippier/Alexander Arnold
Maguire/Gomez
Stones /Lacelles
Rose/Sessegnon

Henderson/Dier
Alli/Ox
Lallana/Loftus Cheek

Sterling
Kane
Lingard/Rashford

You still need to find some other players and hopefully people like Brewster and Foden can come through plus Jadon ( at Dortmund) even players like Lookman - quick skilful wide player

England have a strong base to work with but think 3 at the back will harm them - the two losing semi finalists played 3 at the back
Or to put it another way - 50% of the semi-finalists were playing 3 at the back. That shows that it works.

Did you forget Walker exists or something? Or were you trying to tell us Trent is a better right back? :rofl:
 

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The ref was poor last night but not in a way that really affected the result.
Thought the foot was high studs showing for their first.
seen many of them disallowed.
All the refs have been weak and have let the players bully them.

Second goal wasn’t really Stones fault McGuire was behind striker and could see everything.
Schoolboy error.
 

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The tactic was not the problem, it was the mentality after half-time, which was also the problem against Colombia. The tactic works.

The tactic failed massively last night.

Players asked to play out from the back - kept getting into dangerous positions.

Kane asked to drop deep - he had no baring on the game for second match in a row.

Sterling playing further forward - runs aimlessly into blind alleys, no end product.

Lingard playing deeper to help Henderson - not his position at all, he's a forward.

He has the basis of a good system but it isn't there yet.
 

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The tactic failed massively last night.

Players asked to play out from the back - kept getting into dangerous positions.

Kane asked to drop deep - he had no baring on the game for second match in a row.

Sterling playing further forward - runs aimlessly into blind alleys, no end product.

Lingard playing deeper to help Henderson - not his position at all, he's a forward.

He has the basis of a good system but it isn't there yet.

We need one or two top quality midfielders to make the breakthrough from youth level and we have the basis of a half decent team.
The slight lack of quality on the ball really showed last night, but I’m proud as buggery of them though.
 

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Credit to Croatia for playing a very solid game. They pressed very high from very early in the game, stopping England from playing out from the back. I thought that would create lots of space but they managed the space very well, forcing England to kick long or play lots of back passes.

Did Alli and Lingard freeze or were they just marshalled out of the game, and maybe didn’t have the experience to pull the Croatian team out of shape? Do England only have a plan A?

Captain? Not knowing what impact Kane has on the pitch, as a captain, I couldn’t say the armband should be taken off him. However, I was mightily impressed with the way Maguire marshalled the defence and midfield when the ball was being played from the back.

England came up against a team that was stronger, and better. If it was boxing, I’d say Croatia won the first half on points by a very narrow margin, and then dominated the second half for long periods. England landed a good knockout blow in the first half and had several opportunities in the second half to do the same but failed to capitalise.
 
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Or to put it another way - 50% of the semi-finalists were playing 3 at the back. That shows that it works.

Did you forget Walker exists or something? Or were you trying to tell us Trent is a better right back? :rofl:

Belguim went to a back four to get past Brazil and England virtually played with a back four against Sweden

And no didn’t forget Walker - I have never really rated him - he is quick and I believe that’s it , his distribution is poor , his positional sense is poor and he has too many mistakes which is pace helps him get through

Looking forward with Trippier and AA England could have two of the best right backs in Europe


Anyway was listening to the Radio and they were talking team and player of the Comp

For me Player is Mbappe ( could change in the final )

But the team for me is

Pickford

Trippier
Maguire
Varane
Pavard ( yep two right backs :D )

Henderson
Modric
Kante

Mbappe
Griezmann
Peresic
 
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Casual racism at it's best. Sad and no surprise from you and unfortunately still tolerated by mods as humour.
:clap: :clap: no different to the other comment at Doon the other day as well.
 

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Thought the foot was high studs showing for their first.
seen many of them disallowed.
All the refs have been weak and have let the players bully them.

r.

From this clown expect no more he sent Nani off for violent conduct controlling the ball lower than Perisic and with no defender head anywhere near him :rant:
 

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Team of the Tournament for me:

------------------Pickford-----------------------
-------Mina-----Granqvist------Varane---------
-Trippier---------Kante---------------------------
-----------Modric---------Pogba-------Hazard---
--------------------------De Bruyne----------------
-------------Mbappe----------------------------

Subs:
Schmeichel
Stones
Pavard
Rakitic
Cheryshev
Coutinho
Kane
 
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Team of the Tournament for me:

------------------Pickford-----------------------
-------Mina-----Granqvist------Varane---------
-Trippier---------Kante---------------------------
-----------Modric---------Pogba-------Hazard---
--------------------------De Bruyne----------------
-------------Mbappe----------------------------

Subs:
Schmeichel
Stones
Pavard
Rakitic
Neymar
Coutinho
Kane

Neymar?!?!?!
 

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tactics worked in the first half when we attacked them .
But not the second half when under pressure a back four is better imo.

The tactics DID work and an excellent in the first half and the game could/should of been all over.

Second half Croatia counter by a couple of minor tweaks and spotted a weakness down the left side with Alli not really covering the RB over laps and caused lots of problems.
Just a bit better reactions in the slight change of tactics and personnel could of made a difference.

No need for whole sale change or massive over reactions learn and move on. Euro 2020 final at wembley........
 

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Neymar?!?!?!

Eh, yeah, probably not the best choice. For some reason I thought he'd had a better tournament and was mainly slagged off for his diving but only 2 goals and an assist not the best output, put him in more for who he is and his talent rather than his performances, so yeah, he's out. Have put Cheryshev in instead.
 

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Eh, yeah, probably not the best choice. For some reason I thought he'd had a better tournament and was mainly slagged off for his diving but only 2 goals and an assist not the best output, put him in more for who he is and his talent rather than his performances, so yeah, he's out. Have put Cheryshev in instead.

I'm pleased you have taken Neymar out :D. I'd pay to watch that team, pretty tasty.
 

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I'd go for this as team of the tournament (accepting that the final is still to come of course):

Hazard Mbappe Coutinho
Rakitic Kanté Modric
Pavard Varane Stones Trippier
Lloris​

Bench: Pickford, Granqvist, Godin, Pogba, Cheryshev, Lukaku, Cavani.


Caveat - haven't been hugely impressed by Griezmann, he's been overshadowed by Mbappe a bit, but obviously if he has a great final he'd be in there instead of Cavani.
 

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Subasic or Lloris as the keeper for me.

Good shout actually - Lloris has been exceptional. Sorry Picks, you're on the bench. I really should have put some real thought into this team before posting it :D

-------------------Lloris------------------------
-------Mina-----Granqvist------Varane---------
-Trippier---------Kante---------------------------
-----------Modric---------Pogba-------Hazard---
--------------------------De Bruyne----------------
-------------Mbappe----------------------------

Subs:
Pickford
Stones
Pavard
Rakitic
Cheryshev
Coutinho
Kane
 

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I'd go for this as team of the tournament (accepting that the final is still to come of course):

Hazard Mbappe Coutinho
Rakitic Kanté Modric
Pavard Varane Stones Trippier
Lloris​

Bench: Pickford, Granqvist, Godin, Pogba, Cheryshev, Lukaku, Cavani.


Caveat - haven't been hugely impressed by Griezmann, he's been overshadowed by Mbappe a bit, but obviously if he has a great final he'd be in there instead of Cavani.

No space for KDB? Not even on the bench? Would definitely have him ahead of Rakitic!

Agreed regarding Griezmann - not been impressed with him in this tournament, has definitely been outshone by Mbappe.
 

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